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Impressions of Korea upon returning after 11 years
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toby99



Joined: 28 Aug 2009
Location: Dong-Incheon-by-the-sea, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

madoka wrote:
Yaya wrote:
Let's see, 2001, far fewer subway stations and few places to get decent Western food. Fewer Koreans who had lived abroad and such.



I remember the first Denny's I went to (Itaewon, summer 1988). There were about a dozen of us in the party. We sat down, looked at the menu prices, and several said that they couldn't afford it, so we had to leave. Very embarrassing. But it speaks to how expensive western food was back then.



Whereabouts in Itaewon was the Denny's located? Just trying to create a mental picture... What were some of the other bars in the 'won? Was Seoul Pub around, etc., etc.
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Yaya



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seoul Pub was around and it was just as much a dive then as it is now. I believe Gunter still owned it back then (he's since retired to Pattaya, Thailand, now).

I'd say the quality of expats was really low back then. You had the real crazies who drank their lives away and were hung over daily or the ones who took an interest in Korea enough to live years here. I remember this one French woman with a Ph.D who had been in Korea since the early 1980s (and I wouldn't be surprised if she is still here).

The expat community was tighter than it is now but then again, that is what happens when a certain population rises as that of the expats has.
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T-J



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

toby99 wrote:
madoka wrote:
Yaya wrote:
Let's see, 2001, far fewer subway stations and few places to get decent Western food. Fewer Koreans who had lived abroad and such.



I remember the first Denny's I went to (Itaewon, summer 1988). There were about a dozen of us in the party. We sat down, looked at the menu prices, and several said that they couldn't afford it, so we had to leave. Very embarrassing. But it speaks to how expensive western food was back then.



Whereabouts in Itaewon was the Denny's located? Just trying to create a mental picture... What were some of the other bars in the 'won? Was Seoul Pub around, etc., etc.



Denny's was where The Coffee Bean is.
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madoka



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

T-J wrote:

Denny's was where The Coffee Bean is.


I can't be 100%, but this looks like it maybe a picture of it:

http://www.myspace.com/ibenr/photos/5980923#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A5980923%7D

Does Denny's still exist in Korea?
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T-J



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


Yeah, that's it.

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madoka



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

T-J wrote:

Yeah, that's it.



LOL. I remember how embarrassing it was to walk out of that Denny's after they seated us, had to move tables around to accommodate the entire party, and gave us water. Plus we were the only ones in the entire restaurant. I felt bad for them. Some of the guys felt that we should go eat cha chiang mein, which I recall being 2-3,000 won at the time. We had some degenerate gamblers in our group who blew their entire wad at a casino one night. They had to pool their funds to buy of box a ramen to tide them over. One particular loser gyopo tried out a Itaewon hooker and had to ask his Korean relatives how to get medicine for his new STD as there was no Dave's and no internet back then. Laughing Good times.
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toby99



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

T-J wrote:

Yeah, that's it.



Wow, cool stuff. That album has some other pics of Korea circa 1988, mostly around army bases.

http://www.myspace.com/ibenr/photos/5980923#{%22ImageId%22%3A5253989}

http://www.myspace.com/ibenr/photos/5980923#{%22ImageId%22%3A5253789}

http://www.myspace.com/ibenr/photos/5980923#{%22ImageId%22%3A5253735}

I think this "Twilight Zone" bar is still around, yes?

http://www.myspace.com/ibenr/photos/5980923#{%22ImageId%22%3A5237050}

Good find.
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skookum



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

denverdeath wrote:
Julius wrote:
skookum wrote:
I've been in and out of Korea since 1997. But none of the changes in that time amount to much compared to my first trip back in 1975. Korea was a real adventure in those days. Of course I knew very little about the country then, could count to five or six and that was about it. Went to the island just south of Pusan (Yangdo, was it?) - now all high-rises, then it was just shanties - kids threw rocks at us... We hitch-hiked from Pusan to Seoul via Gwangju and it was one wild incident after another. It was mostly a way third-world place then, though there was the start of modernization - the Seoul subway was then operating - but only one line with 6 or 10 stations around Myeongdong. Yeogwans were about two or three bucks a night. Food was unsanitary but delicious - I brought back a couple kgs of kimchi to Japan and ate it all in a coupla weeks.... Some folks were real friendly but it was a poor country and I'd often have a struggle just to get my change back when I made a purchase. It was 22 years before I returned, and found it a more-or-less modern country.

In 1975 there were two expressways in the country. Then again, I've read of the Korean war era where the main road south from Seoul was a dirt track....


Fascinating. I'd love to have visited Korea in the time that you mention.

Nowadays its lost a lot of its charm I think. Too much infrastructure. The cities stink.

Is the island south of busan you remember Goje?


Think he means Youngdo, not far from Nampodong.


Yes, it was Yeongdo, I've just looked at one of my Korean atlases. (Something else they didn't have in those days.)

In those days when I had to rely on film, I didn't take so many photos. So, only one roll of film for that 1975 time in Korea. And alas, when we returned to Japan, the roll got lost before it ever got developed.
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skookum



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spaceman82 wrote:
skookum wrote:
We hitch-hiked from Pusan to Seoul via Gwangju and it was one wild incident after another.


Would you be willing to share more details about this? I think it'd be really interesting...


Well, a coupla things I remember.... I don't think most folks knew what hitching was or why we were on the expressway. A trucker picked us up and then turned off at the next interchange. He let us out at a police post. The cops asked us why were we there, we said we were going to Seoul. A cop pointed AWAY from the Expressway, so we started walking. Luckily it paralleled the main road and we soon got a ride on a road grader, us hanging on with our large packs on our backs. So we went thru little villages with all the people looking and waving at us. Later, back on the expressway, a road worker in a dump truck picked us up. It quickly became obvious that he was very indignant about us being there. He pulled over next to a cop parked on the roadside, and ranted to him. The cop was not impressed by his diligence in clearing the highway of riffraff, though, and when the truck had left, the cop waved down a passing car and ordered the driver to take us to Gwangju.

On the way back to Pusan, we got a ride with a trucker who took us to his home in Daegu, and I remember us showing his small children how to cut out paper dolls......

Some things never change though, on the ferry over and back to Shimonoseki, we met some waegukin whose attitudes toward Korea were just as bad as those of some folks nowadays....
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Reggie



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zyzyfer wrote:
Julius wrote:
Most irritating recent change I've noticed is the way everyone pays with credit cards now. Even if its only for a chocolate bar, out comes the full laborious signing performance. I mean surely its not worth the card charges? Carry some petty cash for pity's sakes.


I think most people pay with debit cards. Or credit cards where the balance gets paid in full each month. I'm not a fan of cards for small purchases, but there are no fees involved, and some cards offer a small amount of money back to encourage the use of cards - which means merchant fee collections and consumer spending habit information.


South Korean adults have, on the average, five credit cards: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/25/us-korea-economy-debt-idUSTRE77O4JU20110825

South Korean household debt is now over a quadrillion won and is more than the South Korean GDP.
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Garciua



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More stories! Pretty cool reading.
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Who's Your Daddy?



Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.

PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatrickGHBusan wrote:
motiontodismiss wrote:
PatrickGHBusan wrote:
About appartments, in Busan they have done a lot of improvements in design. Take a walk trough Centum City, some of the appartment towers are pretty great. Gone are the days of concrete slabs and in came designs with glass, steel and on angles. Seriously, well worth the look!


IMO they're still apartments and they're ghastly when all the lights are off (as they were in the summer post-blackout). And I'd still never live in them-I don't care if you plaster the walls in gold, Donald Trump-style, it's still a concrete box 300 feet up in the air. And they still don't compare to the NYC skyline or the beautifully manicured lawns of Westchester.

As for food, I've had better Korean food in LA/NY Koreatown than I've ever had in Korea. Yes, the ingredients are that much better.


Well then off to NYC with you then! Laughing


The pot calling the kettle black
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simpleminds



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been here 12 years, Incheon from 2000-2007, and Pocheon since.

We were the only foriegners for miles. By 2002, there were a dozen hagwons around our hogwon.

Six-day working week. Not any more.

My friends complained about the dearth of coffee shops. It was an adventure to find one. Starsies came about 2002-2003. A relief for coffee lovers, since Koreans would make them sugery sweet. They're improving, apparently. I wouldn't know. I hate coffee, and it still smells bad.

A bakery consisted of sugar bread and red bean buns. Cheesecakes are so common now. You had a hard time finding herbs and spices, except in Carrefour.

Carrefour used to have a few decent foriegn items. By 2006, it was gone, and the variety of merchandise went with it. Homeplus sucks in comparison.

Farms were scattered amongst the buildings, by 2007, they were gone.

Metallic tops and dyed hair were in...I mean purple, pink and green bits in your hair. Dying your dog's ears and toes pink, orange and green was normal. Don't see too much of that now.

Shanty houses were the first things you saw upon driving from Gimpo; now it's the expressway from Incheon Airport.

Itaewon was a grundge pit full of boot legged items and junk. Finding foreign groceries was an adventure, and it was all American. Didn't make this Aussie bunny very happy; basically the only chocolate was Herseys, which is blah. Had to take a taxi, until Line 6 came along in 2002, I think.

The Korean garbage smell hadn't gone away, and the yellow dust is getting worse every year. Things are as drab as ever. I often wonder what on earth my architecture students spend four years learning.

If you worked at a haggie, you got two weeks holiday PLUS the national hols. Now, it's just the national hols.

Women wouldn't have been caught dead smoking in a public place, they had to do it in the john. Now, you can't smoke in the toilets.
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pegasus64128



Joined: 20 Aug 2011

PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting post. In particular this: "I don't remember the place being so drab. To me it was a very vibrant place full of energy and I never knew what to expect when I walked out the door. But going back I saw that it's about a tenth as interesting as I remembered. It's homogenous, and most people fit neatly into roles: student, businessman, fish seller, etc. "

Korea's drabness is the same as it ever was as it's run by the same Chaebols there ever was. I like Korea overall, but it is drab.

EDIT: Here's some wayback:

http://sweet-workroom.khan.kr/category

Do a CTRL+F and type 조병화 to find some real old pics. (scroll down)

& this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=3N8c1t1QTDI#!


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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who's Your Daddy? wrote:
PatrickGHBusan wrote:
motiontodismiss wrote:
PatrickGHBusan wrote:
About appartments, in Busan they have done a lot of improvements in design. Take a walk trough Centum City, some of the appartment towers are pretty great. Gone are the days of concrete slabs and in came designs with glass, steel and on angles. Seriously, well worth the look!


IMO they're still apartments and they're ghastly when all the lights are off (as they were in the summer post-blackout). And I'd still never live in them-I don't care if you plaster the walls in gold, Donald Trump-style, it's still a concrete box 300 feet up in the air. And they still don't compare to the NYC skyline or the beautifully manicured lawns of Westchester.

As for food, I've had better Korean food in LA/NY Koreatown than I've ever had in Korea. Yes, the ingredients are that much better.


Well then off to NYC with you then! Laughing


The pot calling the kettle black


Not at all but if it fits what you need to say then go for it. Laughing
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