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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:11 am Post subject: |
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1) I did nothing of the sort. I posted a price and made no claim beyond that.
2) did you price white eggs vs brown? Also, did I assert, or postulate? I am sure though the the brown eggs I buy here would not be sold as extra large back home.
3) hahahahaha...I didn't know that kimbap Jung-guk was high end kimbap. lol
4) whatever
5) funny, that's exactly how I feel about your posts.
Why didn't you address your ignorance about prices in Calgary? The fact that you were way off on those prices and I had to provide you with more accurate links, yet you keep insisting that I'm out of touch with prices there.
Why no comment about the people right above you who are posting saying they just travelled between the two and found Korea to be more expensive for groceries? No comment there? Oh, is it because it doesn't back up your theory?
Why not address the fact that you're looking at this from a tourist's perspective rather than a resident's, and that if exchange rates changed tomorrow, your theory would be demolished?
Why the focus on an ESL worker? Why not take the average wage? Oh, wait, is that your way of avoiding something that makes your numbers look bad? Or, perhaps because theres higher demand for it here and it pays more in Korea? Heck, if we're going down that path, why don't we compare plumbers? Let's compare a Canadian plumber's income and purchasing ability to that of a Korean's! No? Why not? Oh...they make more money in Cnanada? Hmmm.... Yeah, that wouldn't make sense, now would it?
Yup.
Enjoy your (supposedly) inexpensive steak. Make sure you have some more "special" mushrooms with it, I'm sure it'll help you with your dillusions. 
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I already agreed that site was a joke. I'm now talking about the general attitude that a lot of foreigners take in claiming that everything is much more expensive in Korea when the reality is, that it is not. |
I'm asking again, who said this in this thread? Because it certainly wasn't me.
Or are you just making up quotes now? |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:30 am Post subject: |
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1) I did nothing of the sort. I posted a price and made no claim beyond that.
2) did you price white eggs vs brown? Also, did I assert, or postulate? I am sure though the the brown eggs I buy here would not be sold as extra large back home.
3) hahahahaha...I didn't know that kimbap Jung-guk was high end kimbap. lol
4) whatever
5) funny, that's exactly how I feel about your posts. |
1. after I'd clearly pointed out that it was obviously a sale price given the price at the other stores at the time
2. I gave you the links? Are you admitting to not bothering to look at them? If you're not going to fully engage, I'd say we're done here. Emart clearly states that 특란 sized eggs are 60-68g, the Canadian egg size chart which I provided clearly states large eggs are 62g or less. On average they're bigger and cheaper.
3. Funny the news story I linked to indicated that the price was much lower than what you claimed for that and other stores just like it
5. I'm doing nothing more than comparing straight prices while you're trying to work in every factor you can think of to somehow prove that 1500 won is more than $3.19 in the grand scheme of things.
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| Why didn't you address your ignorance about prices in Calgary? The fact that you were way off on those prices and I had to provide you with more accurate links, yet you keep insisting that I'm out of touch with prices there. |
You provided 1 link, with a very small number of prices in it. I was trying to find some "right now" prices since I'm providing live prices from Emart, of course you can't actually provide any of those.
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| Why no comment about the peopl who are posting saying they just travelled between the two and found Korea to be more expensive for groceries? No comment there? Oh, is it because it doesn't back up your theory? |
The same reason you didn't bother listening to people claiming the opposite. Why suddenly bring that up? Because you can't face facts?
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| Why the focus on an ESL worker? Why not take the average wage? Oh, wait, is that your way of avoiding something that makes your numbers look bad? |
Because we're comparing western diets. I also gave you the average wage. it's only slightly higher than what an ESL worker would make in Calgary. by about 5-10%. You really wanted to focus on comparing like scenarios, so we're comparing them. If you wanted to compare fully average salaries, then we should be comparing average diets as well, for which the average Korean wouldn't really be that focused on buying the thinks you're trying so desperately to cling to, like Milk, potatoes, non-staple fruits, etc.
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| Enjoy your (supposedly) inexpensive steak. Make sure you have some more "special" mushrooms with it, I'm sure it'll help you with your dillusions. |
Supposedly? It's things like that that utterly undermine your credibility. Don't worry, I won't hold my breath waiting for you to retract it.
the price is the same at emart today as it was at GS Mart, 1980/100g, again I've got no issue providing real verifiable numbers.
http://www.emartmall.com/display/item.do?method=getItemInfoViewDtl&item_id=1265740000000&ctg_id=3001348&shop_id=&from1=&from2=&emid=search
That's $7.91/lb. It's just great. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:54 am Post subject: |
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Still doing your best to cherry pick, I see.
Too bad you can't get a decent price on cherries here. lol
1. And those other prices are still better than what I see in seoul
2. you seem confused about something. I didn't write that list to say that EVERY item on it was cheaper in Canada. I don't recall ever saying that. I said I could buy that list cheaper in Calgary... and i stand by that. I wrote that as a sample of what I might buy for a week.
3. News story? It was a blog. Get over it.
5. No, you are not. You are comparing prices and then comparing exchange rates. Are you seriously unable to see how that might skew things?
I provided the prices in Calgary. If you've got something to prove me wrong, by all means, show them. But I PROVED your links to be distorted. You showed how little you knew about the Calgary food market by even posting them.
So you can say:
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| despite the fact that more than one person has come here and said they found their groceries to be similarly priced or even a little cheaper here. |
But when I show people agreeing with me, somehow that's odd??? What's up with that?
because you keep avoiding it...
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I already agreed that site was a joke. I'm now talking about the general attitude that a lot of foreigners take in claiming that everything is much more expensive in Korea when the reality is, that it is not. |
Is there a quote of someone saying that in this thread. I know I certainly didn't say that.
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Face it, your theory is flawed
If exchange rates change, and they never hold forever, then your price comparison changes... without prices actually having to change in the respective countries.
Salaries are higher, on average, in Canada. Yet the prices of many of the things I listed in food stuffs were lower.
Average annual income in South Korea is around 37,154,700 KRW (33,000 USD), according to 2011/2012 salary survey.
Average annual income in Canada is around 46,550 CAD (46,550 USD), according to 2011/2012 salary survey.
You continue to try to distort prices by comparing Costco to regular retailers. |
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fosterman
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:15 am Post subject: |
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forget food, electricity prices are crazy here.
everything is more expensive here. to many taxes and middle men |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:21 am Post subject: |
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If you look back, that's what I pretty much said on page one - that it's really hard to compare A to B.
There are tons of variables that come into the mix. And in my experience, a trip to the grocery store here is more expensive than back home. I believe I get more bang for my buck in a grocery store back home. |
Great then...let it go man!
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:03 am Post subject: |
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If you look back, that's what I pretty much said on page one - that it's really hard to compare A to B.
There are tons of variables that come into the mix. And in my experience, a trip to the grocery store here is more expensive than back home. I believe I get more bang for my buck in a grocery store back home. |
Great then...let it go man!
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Take a look back. Go ahead, man. Who responded to who?
Now, who are you telling to let it go? |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:42 am Post subject: |
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Both of you!!!!
Jebus Cripes you guys are arguiong over comparative grocery costs!!!
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
Both of you!!!!
Jebus Cripes you guys are arguiong over comparative grocery costs!!!
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Apparently milk is a heated subject! lol
Speaking of that... and seeing as we're going so deep into grocery analysis... do you guys feel there's a big difference in the pasteurisation process between the two countries?
Milk back home... I could (and have) drink 4L a day. Here, if Ibuy the basic stuff, I'm running to the can. Only the "premium" brands here seem to give me less trouble. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Not getting in a milk debate with you Captain. Sorry. |
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myenglishisno
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Geumchon
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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Milk back home... I could (and have) drink 4L a day. |
That's horrible for your body. Milk is for calves, not people. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.oanda.com/currency/big-mac-index
It would seem that Canada is the more expensive (overall of the two)
http://www.economist.com/node/11793125
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Only a handful of currencies are close to their Big Mac PPP. Of the seven currencies that make up the Federal Reserve�s major-currency index, only one (the Australian dollar) is within 10% of its fair value. Most of the rest look expensive. The euro is overvalued by a massive 50%. The British pound, Swedish krona, Swiss franc and Canadian dollar are also trading well above their burger benchmark. All are more overvalued against the dollar than a year ago. Only the Japanese yen, undervalued by 27%, could be considered a snip.
The dollar still buys a lot of burger in the rest of Asia too. The Singapore dollar is undervalued by 18% and the South Korean won by 12%. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, that shows me that a straight currency exchange may not be the best means for determining cost. |
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Jane
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:58 am Post subject: |
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I know this topic has now been discussed to death, but for what it's worth, here is a comparison of the food prices I encounter(ed) in both Ontario and Korea. Consideration should also be given to quality issues (although having consumed products in both countries, I've tried to keep quality similar as much as possible)
Milk:
Ontario--4L for $4-4.50 (I buy milk often)
Korea--2.3L for 5,200won
http://www.homeplus.co.kr/app.product.GoodDetail.ghs?comm=usr.detail&good_id=000019100
Meat: Ground Beef:
Ontario--$6.59/kg (for lean)http://www.lococos.ca/files/flyer/lococos_flyer_mar_09_to_mar_15.pdf
Korea: 10,800won for 300g (you do the math--and quality unknown, price is for Australian beef and NOT hanwoo which is even more expensive)
http://www.homeplus.co.kr/app.product.GoodDetail.ghs?comm=usr.detail&good_id=114858152
Bananas (one of the cheapest fruits in Korea)
Ontario--$1.30/kg
http://www.lococos.ca/files/flyer/lococos_flyer_mar_09_to_mar_15.pdf
Korea--2,190won/kg
http://www.emartmall.com/display/item.do?method=getItemInfoViewDtl&item_id=E000030570299&ctg_id=3000002&shop_id=&from1=&from2=&emid=LC_140_00
Eggs:
About the same price in both countries, but Canadian eggs MUCH higher quality.
Bread:
Ontario--$2.22/675g (Wonder bread is most comparable to the Korean bread being compared, except Wonder bread still is better and fresher)
http://www.metro.ca/en/on/flyer.html?idFlyer=1185&flyerPage=7&imgSize=0
Korea--1,900won/380g (sorry, but Korean bread is low quality and disgusting)
http://www.homeplus.co.kr/app.product.GoodDetail.ghs?comm=usr.detail&good_id=110336120
All in all, even when additional tax and exchange rates are taken into account, Canada is more affordable for food.
Last edited by Jane on Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:50 am; edited 1 time in total |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:47 am Post subject: |
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| Jane wrote: |
Bananas (one of the cheapest fruits in Korea) |
I wonder what happened to make it the cheapest. Back in the late 80s, bananas were incredibly expensive. I remember street vendors would sell these crappy bananas so black from age that I would have thrown them out without a second thought.
| Jane wrote: |
Eggs:
About the same price in both countries, but Canadian eggs MUCH higher quality. |
While I don't think I've ever tried Canadian eggs, I find Korean eggs to be super tasty. |
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Jane
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:57 am Post subject: |
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[quote="madoka"]
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| Bananas (one of the cheapest fruits in Korea) |
I wonder what happened to make it the cheapest. Back in the late 80s, bananas were incredibly expensive. I remember street vendors would sell these crappy bananas so black from age that I would have thrown them out without a second thought. |
My husband tells me that back in the 80's bananas would sell for 1,000won a piece and that back then 1,000won was the equivalent of 10,000won. In fact, he remembers the day his uncle brought home one banana and they shared it amongst the family.
It's a good question why bananas are so cheap considering they are imported, and why they cost significantly less than domestic fruit (and any other fruit) in Korea. |
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