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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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 Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| jrwhite82 wrote: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
Well then... if saying standing for individual gun ownership rights is very American, and standing for national health care is very Canadian - are both insults...
then I am very sorry.
I look at BOTH of those examples of being representative of those countries. They both have them firmly entrenched as law, and as far as i know, are both supported by the populace of their respective nations.
So, is it now improper to ascribe ANY belief to ANY nation? |
Well considering that about 30% of US adults own a gun, I would hardly consider that VERY American.
Your comment also comes from the guy who jumps all over anyone who maks the slightest remark that generalizes Koreans. Hmmmm. |
30%?
It's more like 40%
http://www.gallup.com/poll/14509/americans-guns-danger-defense.aspx
http://www.gallup.com/poll/20098/gun-ownership-use-america.aspx
these are from 2005
http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/28/gun-crime-continues-to-decrease-despite-increase-in-gun-ownership/
But in 2011 there was an increase in gun ownership apparently.
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Naturally, there is dispute over the significance of the surge in gun sales. The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, for instance, says gun ownership in America is actually declining.
�While there are more people with concealed carry permits and there has been an increase in gun sales, the research indicates overwhelmingly that the same people are simply buying more guns and that there has been a sharp decline in the percentage of Americans who own guns,� Brady Campaign spokesperson Caroline Brewer said. �So while there may be more guns, they are in the hands of a smaller percentage of Americans.� |
Note here the organization the speaker belongs to and that she cites no study to back up her claim. |
The source I used for mine was from:
http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp
30% adults and 40% for households. |
Also keep in mind that there are many people who will not report their firearms just on the principle alone that it's no one else's business and no criminals will report theirs either. Add those two groups in and I'll bet it's above 40%...certainly above 30%...those are only the law-abiding citizens. How many have unregistered weapons (and I'm talking civilians not even taking into account criminals))?
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The final conclusion, then, as to what portion of U.S. adults own guns is that nobody knows�although it is probable that the proportion is about one half and remains fairly stable over time. More importantly, however, is the fact that surveys cannot be trusted as being accurate, particularly when the survey is about possibly illegal or questionable acts or some topic that is controversial or could have controversial public policy ramifications. In other words, if the answer really matters, any answer obtained through survey is highly suspect.
Those who do surveys seem oblivious to the certainty that there will be false answers to surveys about guns or any other controversial topic. In the 1994 NSPOF study, for example, the principals/authors concluded (based on a telephone survey for a government agency) that only 25% of adults (35 +/- 1.3 percent of households) own guns, that some other recent surveys have had similar low results, and that "conventional wisdom" (about 50% ownership) therefore "appears out of date."
Medical people who have started doing research in attempts to discredit guns are just as stupid about the concept. The ones who recently did the "studies" that supposedly prove that a gun in the home increases the risk of homicide by 3 times and the risk of suicide by 5 times, in an attempt to claim that their survey method was valid, said "a pilot study of homes listed as the addresses of owners of registered handguns confirmed that respondents' answers to questions about gun ownership were generally valid."
In that pilot study, only 41.3% of the registered owners actually admitted to gun ownership. The reason that the figure was so low is that a 26.7% of the owners had given "erroneous" addresses (probably to confound the bureaucrats who wanted the handguns registered) and another equal percentage refused to cooperate with the survey. |
http://www.gunsandcrime.org/numbers.html |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| So less than half of Americans are exercising their right to bear arms? Guess there's still a lot of room for improvement then. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| So less than half of Americans are exercising their right to bear arms? Guess there's still a lot of room for improvement then. |
Do you believe that is part of "The American Idendity"? |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
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| So less than half of Americans are exercising their right to bear arms? Guess there's still a lot of room for improvement then. |
Do you believe that is part of "The American Idendity"? |
Yes excercising your FREEDOM is part of the American Idendity. Thanks for clearing that up. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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| jrwhite82 wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
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| So less than half of Americans are exercising their right to bear arms? Guess there's still a lot of room for improvement then. |
Do you believe that is part of "The American Idendity"? |
Yes excercising your FREEDOM is part of the American Idendity. Thanks for clearing that up. |
So only Americans exercise their freedom? |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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Extremely weak and unconvincing Canadian representation in this thread.
I, for one, expected more.
Whattayagonnado. |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| jrwhite82 wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| So less than half of Americans are exercising their right to bear arms? Guess there's still a lot of room for improvement then. |
Do you believe that is part of "The American Idendity"? |
Yes excercising your FREEDOM is part of the American Idendity. Thanks for clearing that up. |
So only Americans exercise their freedom? |
Yes.  Just kidding of course.
But seriously, I didn't say that only Americans exercise freedom. People and nations can share aspects of their identity. One person might identify themselves as funny. He is the only person who can be funny? |
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Underwaterbob
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd step up, but from the last two pages I can't even tell what the argument is about anymore. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, it certainly has twisted away from the original in the OP. |
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Mr. Kalgukshi
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:32 am Post subject: |
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Several insulting postings have been deleted. The next step will be severe sanctions for members continuing to post such comments.
Stay on topic and contribute to the topic in a civil manner or you will no longer be with us. |
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