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Trouble at my Hagwon...new to the country.
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zombiedog



Joined: 03 Oct 2011

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't disagree that that OP should be willing to take the initiative and get these things done.

That said, I think that foreigners who have lived in the country for a number of years and have gone from job to job forget how completely disorienting Korea can be to a new arrival. Any school that refuses to help with these "chores" is no place that someone should want to work, and if the school doesn't provide help it should be a huge red flag to the teacher; it shows complete lack of care and common sense by the owner/manager of the school.

That is the implicit obligation the school has to their foreign teacher.
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

zombiedog wrote:
I don't disagree that that OP should be willing to take the initiative and get these things done.

That said, I think that foreigners who have lived in the country for a number of years and have gone from job to job forget how completely disorienting Korea can be to a new arrival. Any school that refuses to help with these "chores" is no place that someone should want to work, and if the school doesn't provide help it should be a huge red flag to the teacher; it shows complete lack of care and common sense by the owner/manager of the school.

That is the implicit obligation the school has to their foreign teacher.



There is no question that life is easier for new teachers when their schools help them with these kinds of chores needed to set up a new life in a strange land. Certainly the best schools do help out in these ways.

But, it is not an obligation of the school and many new teachers forget this fact. They forget to say "thank you" for these extras, acting as if it is some obligation of the school to take care of them. As a result, many Koreans become annoyed at the lack of courtesy and demanding attitude of expectation and entitlement. The new teacher starts off on the wrong foot at a new job in a strange land and loses some of the goodwill and support that could have been there by remembering the daily use of "hello, how are you today, please, thank you, this is very nice, you didn't have to, see you tomorrow ..." etc.
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Feloria



Joined: 02 Sep 2006

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure, it's not the school's responsibility to do those "little chore" activities for the teacher.
But they should at least give you a little instruction on how to do it for yourself.

School: "You need to get an ARC"
Teacher: "OK-How do I do that?"
School: "Figure it out for yourself--We are not obligated to help you."

Come on!!
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proverbs



Joined: 28 Apr 2009

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

9am-8pm!? 55 hours a week!? for a Korean worker, this could be normal, but i never met a foreigner that was putting in those kind of hours unless they were willingly doing it for the overtime pay. also, where do you live? why does everything close before 7pm?


its not that i dont believe you, I'm just trying to get a better idea. but it does seem like there are some details missing in this story.
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shawniabroad



Joined: 19 Sep 2011
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:45 pm    Post subject: Contact these people Reply with quote

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ssuprnova



Joined: 17 Dec 2010
Location: Saigon

PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ontheway wrote:
many Koreans become annoyed at the lack of courtesy and demanding attitude of expectation and entitlement.


I had a good laugh at that, thanks! Laughing
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akcrono



Joined: 11 Mar 2010

PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some things are implicitly REQUIRED for the boss to do, such as basic instructions on how to pay important bills, where the teacher's apartment is located, how to get to school etc. These are things that a newbie will NOT be able to figure out on their own and failure to help will result in disasters.

So if we understand that the employer has some basic responsibilities that are not outlined in the contract, where do their obligations end? I would say it's comparable to bringing a foreigner to America who does not speak the language and doesn't know where anything is. Failure to set them up with basic services would make you look like an asshole. Once they get a handle on things, then they can take care of their own stuff, but until then, YOU brought them there so it's YOUR responsibility to cover the basic necessities.

Korea is not newbie friendly, and being able to become self reliant takes a decent amount of time, even with dedicated study. Let's be realistic about what has to get done and what someone with no language skills or knowledge of the area can accomplish.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

denverdeath wrote:
What exactly are the e-2 sponsor's obligations/responsibilities? anyone know?


http://www.moel.go.kr/english/topic/laborlaw.jsp?tab=Standards

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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Assuming this isn't a troll post, (which would also explain some of the responses)

Any employer who wouldn't help their FOB newbie with some things

really doesn't deserve to have an employee.

Required or not, it's just common courtesy and good sense.

I'm surprised the OP hasn't pulled a midnight run already.
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Troglodyte



Joined: 06 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

perryredmon wrote:
I was told by the woman who said and did all of this that she has to help me and sign off on my bank account. I know its my responsibility. I am asking if there is another way to do things. I pretty much did everything myself. I work from 9am til 7~8pm. Idont have time for anything xuring the day for business hours.


Hmmmm. You might want to get a Korean friend to take a look at what your boss signed off on. The last thing you want is to have a joint bank account with the boss.
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