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Steelrails
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Oodles of fail on this thread.
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| I think there are around 1,000 New Zealanders teaching English in Korea. As of 2006 there were 30,792 Koreans living in New Zealand (total pop' between 4-5mil). The one-eyed xenophobia kind of pissed me off a bit, too. |
You do realize having a population of only 5 million means you have fewer English teachers to supply as well, right? What you think there should be 30,000 Kiwis teaching English?
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No, I don't - obviously.
I think that on balance, I agree with the poster who pointed out that some people in Korea who would like to see all foreigners go "home" are conveniently oblivious to the contributions people from Korea are making in their new homes around the world. |
And is their opinion the majority one? Because unlike say, the US or England where major political parties blatantly pander to anti-immigration sentiment and turn it into a raging issue, there isn't any of that going on here. You see some articles and you have the AES which hasn't really done much lately. But immigration as a political issue is not putting people in the Korean legislature.
So on balance, I don't really see where the lofty attitude comes from. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| We can go there but you can't come here! |
ie numerous Koreans live in the west but can't handle foreigners living here. |
I'm fairly sure that the vast majority of Koreans who live in the West aren't terribly concerned about foreigners living in Korea. |
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edwardcatflap
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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And is their opinion the majority one? Because unlike say, the US or England where major political parties blatantly pander to anti-immigration sentiment and turn it into a raging issue, there isn't any of that going on here. You see some articles and you have the AES which hasn't really done much lately. But immigration as a political issue is not putting people in the Korean legislature.
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Unlike Korea there have been about one and a half million immigrants into the UK over the last ten years, most of whom are concentrated in a small area of the country (the South East) and all of whom (unlike Korea)can demand access to free health, education and welfare services. Whether you're for it or against it, you'd be a pretty stupid political party not to turn this into an issue. |
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jinks
Joined: 27 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| jinks wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
Oodles of fail on this thread.
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| I think there are around 1,000 New Zealanders teaching English in Korea. As of 2006 there were 30,792 Koreans living in New Zealand (total pop' between 4-5mil). The one-eyed xenophobia kind of pissed me off a bit, too. |
You do realize having a population of only 5 million means you have fewer English teachers to supply as well, right? What you think there should be 30,000 Kiwis teaching English?
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No, I don't - obviously.
I think that on balance, I agree with the poster who pointed out that some people in Korea who would like to see all foreigners go "home" are conveniently oblivious to the contributions people from Korea are making in their new homes around the world. |
And is their opinion the majority one? Because unlike say, the US or England where major political parties blatantly pander to anti-immigration sentiment and turn it into a raging issue, there isn't any of that going on here. You see some articles and you have the AES which hasn't really done much lately. But immigration as a political issue is not putting people in the Korean legislature.
So on balance, I don't really see where the lofty attitude comes from. |
Sorry, but "some people" does not imply a "majority". |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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| jinks wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| jinks wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
Oodles of fail on this thread.
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| I think there are around 1,000 New Zealanders teaching English in Korea. As of 2006 there were 30,792 Koreans living in New Zealand (total pop' between 4-5mil). The one-eyed xenophobia kind of pissed me off a bit, too. |
You do realize having a population of only 5 million means you have fewer English teachers to supply as well, right? What you think there should be 30,000 Kiwis teaching English?
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No, I don't - obviously.
I think that on balance, I agree with the poster who pointed out that some people in Korea who would like to see all foreigners go "home" are conveniently oblivious to the contributions people from Korea are making in their new homes around the world. |
And is their opinion the majority one? Because unlike say, the US or England where major political parties blatantly pander to anti-immigration sentiment and turn it into a raging issue, there isn't any of that going on here. You see some articles and you have the AES which hasn't really done much lately. But immigration as a political issue is not putting people in the Korean legislature.
So on balance, I don't really see where the lofty attitude comes from. |
Sorry, but "some people" does not imply a "majority". |
Sorry but that seems exactly to be what Mr. Steelrails was pointing out. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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And is their opinion the majority one? Because unlike say, the US or England where major political parties blatantly pander to anti-immigration sentiment and turn it into a raging issue, there isn't any of that going on here. You see some articles and you have the AES which hasn't really done much lately. But immigration as a political issue is not putting people in the Korean legislature.
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Unlike Korea there have been about one and a half million immigrants into the UK over the last ten years, most of whom are concentrated in a small area of the country (the South East) and all of whom (unlike Korea)can demand access to free health, education and welfare services. Whether you're for it or against it, you'd be a pretty stupid political party not to turn this into an issue. |
I think the big thing is the dispersed nature of foreigners in Korea. The average Korean isn't going to get too worked up over the handful of English teachers, some imported brides who they may or may not brush up against, and 3D workers who they don't see.
But Korea actually has a decent record with being open minded to new ideas. I'm talking about them being 25% Protestant, 25% Catholic, 35% Buddhist and the rest atheist and them not blowing each other up over that. Can you imagine any of our countries back home absorbing a Buddhist/Muslim population of 30% and having Buddhist/Muslim Presidents and not throwing a complete hissy fit and probably shooting each other over it and possibly devolving into civil war? Atheists and Christians aren't fighting a war over Christmas and banning Christmas Trees in public schools.
Give Korea credit where its due for tolerance and open mindedness. If it were so xenophobic the religious situation would be vastly different. |
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jinks
Joined: 27 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| jinks wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| jinks wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
Oodles of fail on this thread.
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| I think there are around 1,000 New Zealanders teaching English in Korea. As of 2006 there were 30,792 Koreans living in New Zealand (total pop' between 4-5mil). The one-eyed xenophobia kind of pissed me off a bit, too. |
You do realize having a population of only 5 million means you have fewer English teachers to supply as well, right? What you think there should be 30,000 Kiwis teaching English?
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No, I don't - obviously.
I think that on balance, I agree with the poster who pointed out that some people in Korea who would like to see all foreigners go "home" are conveniently oblivious to the contributions people from Korea are making in their new homes around the world. |
And is their opinion the majority one? Because unlike say, the US or England where major political parties blatantly pander to anti-immigration sentiment and turn it into a raging issue, there isn't any of that going on here. You see some articles and you have the AES which hasn't really done much lately. But immigration as a political issue is not putting people in the Korean legislature.
So on balance, I don't really see where the lofty attitude comes from. |
Sorry, but "some people" does not imply a "majority". |
Sorry but that seems exactly to be what Mr. Steelrails was pointing out. |
Sorry again, but it seems we are in agreement then. I said "some people", and he said "not a majority", but I inferred from his post that he was implying that I claimed that a majority of people in korea felt the same way about immigration, when I was not saying that at all. I said "some people". |
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jinks
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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DIsbell
Joined: 15 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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And is their opinion the majority one? Because unlike say, the US or England where major political parties blatantly pander to anti-immigration sentiment and turn it into a raging issue, there isn't any of that going on here. You see some articles and you have the AES which hasn't really done much lately. But immigration as a political issue is not putting people in the Korean legislature.
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Unlike Korea there have been about one and a half million immigrants into the UK over the last ten years, most of whom are concentrated in a small area of the country (the South East) and all of whom (unlike Korea)can demand access to free health, education and welfare services. Whether you're for it or against it, you'd be a pretty stupid political party not to turn this into an issue. |
I think the big thing is the dispersed nature of foreigners in Korea. The average Korean isn't going to get too worked up over the handful of English teachers, some imported brides who they may or may not brush up against, and 3D workers who they don't see.
But Korea actually has a decent record with being open minded to new ideas. I'm talking about them being 25% Protestant, 25% Catholic, 35% Buddhist and the rest atheist and them not blowing each other up over that. Can you imagine any of our countries back home absorbing a Buddhist/Muslim population of 30% and having Buddhist/Muslim Presidents and not throwing a complete hissy fit and probably shooting each other over it and possibly devolving into civil war? Atheists and Christians aren't fighting a war over Christmas and banning Christmas Trees in public schools.
Give Korea credit where its due for tolerance and open mindedness. If it were so xenophobic the religious situation would be vastly different. |
My country has a Muslim president. A secret Muslim president.
But really, your comment about religion in Korea requires some historical qualifications, i.e. efforts of religious groups during the Japanese occupation. It's nothing like if the first missionaries came and half of Korea said "oh that's a refreshing idea, I'm gonna change my world view" and all was jolly. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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| DIsbell wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| edwardcatflap wrote: |
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And is their opinion the majority one? Because unlike say, the US or England where major political parties blatantly pander to anti-immigration sentiment and turn it into a raging issue, there isn't any of that going on here. You see some articles and you have the AES which hasn't really done much lately. But immigration as a political issue is not putting people in the Korean legislature.
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Unlike Korea there have been about one and a half million immigrants into the UK over the last ten years, most of whom are concentrated in a small area of the country (the South East) and all of whom (unlike Korea)can demand access to free health, education and welfare services. Whether you're for it or against it, you'd be a pretty stupid political party not to turn this into an issue. |
I think the big thing is the dispersed nature of foreigners in Korea. The average Korean isn't going to get too worked up over the handful of English teachers, some imported brides who they may or may not brush up against, and 3D workers who they don't see.
But Korea actually has a decent record with being open minded to new ideas. I'm talking about them being 25% Protestant, 25% Catholic, 35% Buddhist and the rest atheist and them not blowing each other up over that. Can you imagine any of our countries back home absorbing a Buddhist/Muslim population of 30% and having Buddhist/Muslim Presidents and not throwing a complete hissy fit and probably shooting each other over it and possibly devolving into civil war? Atheists and Christians aren't fighting a war over Christmas and banning Christmas Trees in public schools.
Give Korea credit where its due for tolerance and open mindedness. If it were so xenophobic the religious situation would be vastly different. |
My country has a Muslim president. A secret Muslim president.
But really, your comment about religion in Korea requires some historical qualifications, i.e. efforts of religious groups during the Japanese occupation. It's nothing like if the first missionaries came and half of Korea said "oh that's a refreshing idea, I'm gonna change my world view" and all was jolly. |
True, but they've handled it pretty darn well all things considered. At least they aren't using soccer matches as an excuse to beat each other up over religion or saying Kim Dae Jung couldn't be president because he was Christian or saying someone "isn't Buddhist enough".
Point is, we can cherry pick about calling a place xenophobic and might come with radically different answers based on what criteria we use. |
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