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swinewho
Joined: 17 Aug 2009
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 Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 10:00 pm Post subject: Should he get the death penalty? |
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/13/death-penalty-afghan-killings-leon-panetta
Interesting if the US do go through with it. I don't think they will - but clearly the guy deserves it - even if he's had a mental break down, which is easy for me to say....
But if you sign up to be a soldier you've got to expect to see some of the worst kinds of horrors imaginable - and do your best to live with it....Not go off base without permission and kill women and kids...
Again easy for me to say....
Hopefully not too many allied forces will die because of this guy's actions! |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:50 am Post subject: |
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I'm stoutly against the death penalty, and I could never sit on a capital punishment trial. But I found Panetta's statement interesting.
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| "War is hell. These kinds of events and incidents are going to take place, they've taken place in any war. They're terrible events. And this is not the first of those events, and it probably won't be the last," the defence secretary told reporters on a flight to Kyrgyzstan. |
That kind of undercuts the overall rationale for humanitarian military intervention, doesn't it? |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:22 am Post subject: |
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^ easy for Panetta to say. "War is hell"? How would he know I wonder? Has he ever stepped foot on a battlefield in his life?
I know it sounds quaint, but we should really pass some new laws forcing all our chicken-hawk, so-called leaders to lead the fight directly and go on the front lines themselves instead of staying behind and wagging their tongues so much. Maybe once Panetta's had a limb or two shot off he can lecture us about war being hell (or maybe we could try him for war crimes when he goes off the deep end and massacres some civilians)... |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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A shame Gates had to retire...
Anyway, I'm 100% against the death penalty. |
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Spartacist
Joined: 18 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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I'm against the death penalty too, but at the same time feel that he should face Afghan justice for this crime whether or not there is a death penalty for such a crime, depending on the state of the judiciary I guess. I mean, if you commit a crime in that country you should face that country's punishment, right?
By the way, Panetta's response is just pathetic, framing a mass murder as an act of war. |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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They won't do it.
The United States hasn't executed anyone since John Bennett on 13 April 1961.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_the_United_States_military
The death penalty by the U.S. military was reintroduced by the executive order of President Ronald Reagan in 1984.[2]
On July 28, 2008, President George W. Bush approved the execution of United States Army Private Ronald A. Gray, who had been convicted in April 1988 of multiple murders and rapes. A month later, Secretary of the Army Pete Geren set an execution date of December 10, 2008 and ordered that Gray be put to death by lethal injection at the Federal Correctional Complex, Terre Haute. The military publicly released Gray's execution date on November 20, 2008. On November 26, however, Gray was granted a stay of execution. He has not yet been executed as of 2012. |
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johnnyenglishteacher2
Joined: 03 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
| ^ easy for Panetta to say. "War is hell"? How would he know I wonder? Has he ever stepped foot on a battlefield in his life? |
He's probably played Call of Duty. Is that an acceptable substitute? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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They won't do it.
The United States hasn't executed anyone since John Bennett on 13 April 1961... |
What?
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/mar2002/exec-m14.shtml
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Since 1976, 17 foreign nationals have been executed in the US, including four from Mexico, two from Germany, and one each from Guyana, the Dominican Republic, Cuba, Paraguay, Honduras, Vietnam, Thailand, the Philippines, Canada, South Africa and Iraq. The US has consistently rebuffed pleas from foreign governments and human rights organizations to stay these executions. Recent cases involving violations of consular rights include the following:
* Mexican national Miguel Angel Flores died by lethal injection on November 9, 2000 ...
* In another Texas case under Governor Bush, Stanley Faulder, a 61-year-old Canadian, was executed on June 17, 1999. ...
* Karl and Walter LaGrand, German citizens, were put to death in Arizona on February 24 and March 3, 1999 respectively.. .
Angel Breard, a Paraguayan citizen, was executed in Virginia on April 14, 1998....
Tracy Housel was the 764th person executed in the US since 1976, and the 15th so far this year. Last year, 66 prisoners were put to death, down slightly from 85 in 2000 and 98 in 1999, the highest number of executions since capital punishment was reinstated. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Died By Bear wrote: |
They won't do it.
The United States hasn't executed anyone since John Bennett on 13 April 1961... |
What?
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/mar2002/exec-m14.shtml
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Since 1976, 17 foreign nationals have been executed in the US, including four from Mexico, two from Germany, and one each from Guyana, the Dominican Republic, Cuba, Paraguay, Honduras, Vietnam, Thailand, the Philippines, Canada, South Africa and Iraq. The US has consistently rebuffed pleas from foreign governments and human rights organizations to stay these executions. Recent cases involving violations of consular rights include the following:
* Mexican national Miguel Angel Flores died by lethal injection on November 9, 2000 ...
* In another Texas case under Governor Bush, Stanley Faulder, a 61-year-old Canadian, was executed on June 17, 1999. ...
* Karl and Walter LaGrand, German citizens, were put to death in Arizona on February 24 and March 3, 1999 respectively.. .
Angel Breard, a Paraguayan citizen, was executed in Virginia on April 14, 1998....
Tracy Housel was the 764th person executed in the US since 1976, and the 15th so far this year. Last year, 66 prisoners were put to death, down slightly from 85 in 2000 and 98 in 1999, the highest number of executions since capital punishment was reinstated. |
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Died by Bear probably meant the US military, given the title of his wiki link and the context of the discussion. And he would be right, it appears the US military has not executed anyone since 1961. |
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