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SeoulBug
Joined: 20 Jun 2011
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:53 am Post subject: Want to Run Free Writing Clinic. Suggestions? |
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Hi Everyone,
I'm realizing how much "education mania" people really have here in Korea.
I'd like to start a free college admissions essay writing clinic. I've been pretty successful so far in the US to get my younger friends, etc. into the university program of their choice.
Being an Ivy League graduate, I'm sure I could have evidence of "walking the walk" (rather than just saying I can get somebody in an using other cases as examples).
How would you guys suggest "advertising" myself? (I.e. going to public high schools, etc.)?
Thanks, |
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GoldMember
Joined: 24 Oct 2006
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 5:10 am Post subject: |
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So here we have a say called Ivy League graduate, who has spent a lot of money (getting an education) in order to teach for free. On top of that the person needs advice on how to do so on Dave's! Education standards in the US must be pitifully low, if people like the op can graduate. Leave the free English to the Mormons. |
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cdninkorea

Joined: 27 Jan 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 6:06 am Post subject: |
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GoldMember wrote: |
So here we have a say called Ivy League graduate, who has spent a lot of money (getting an education) in order to teach for free. On top of that the person needs advice on how to do so on Dave's! Education standards in the US must be pitifully low, if people like the op can graduate. Leave the free English to the Mormons. |
So because someone graduated from an Ivy League school, they shouldn't want to volunteer their time to help people? And by graduating from such a school, they should know how to organize a free workshop in a foreign country? And if they ask for help, that means educational standards for the whole country are low? Nice contribution  |
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Unposter
Joined: 04 Jun 2006
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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Ehh...if he were so smart, he would do his own research, rather than ask a bunch of faceless who know whos on Dave's...
Here's a bit of advice: help students who really need the help and leave the rich kids to buy their way into university like before... |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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If you really want to volunteer your time to help kids prep for the university entrance exam, why don't you help those in need? Ask around if there are any orphanages in your neighborhood that have kids who are teenagers and offer them your time. |
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SeoulBug
Joined: 20 Jun 2011
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:29 am Post subject: |
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Thanks, guys. I'll try the local high schools. I'll see what contribution I can add.
Your negative opinions are not appreciated. In my opinion, "Criticism" is good (as it leads to productive discussion). But, belittling good intention's doesn't make the world get better. Just a thought. |
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BigBuds

Joined: 15 Sep 2005 Location: Changwon
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:54 am Post subject: |
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If you are here on an E-2 visa, whether you do it for free or not, it is illegal and can get you deported.
If you are here on an F series visa you'll need a tutor's license from the department of education. |
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alljokingaside
Joined: 17 Feb 2010
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:59 am Post subject: |
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And perhaps he/she is, while complementing and augmenting that info with a popular-support base (ie Daves). I really dig! the unsolicited ad hominems when the OP is trying to get info for an idealistic cause. Because the web has SO much direct information on this subject here, on how to start a free college-prep-ish program.
Or perhaps you prefer the abstract trappings of perfection over grit and flesh? Credentials that may or may not have real-world applications? Perhaps if one is "perfect" then one doesn't need help at all? And if one isn't perfect, then he would need no help. And since she needs no help, then she shouldn't even exist on these boards, except to prey on us preterite for sport. Soliciting advice is surely a sign of weakness. Gaining as much knowledge possible from all potential sources is a waste, since the "perfect" one would already know every avenue and inroad to this knowledge thing. This board is, then, a joke and repository of mediocrity.
But then, if she were perfect, then why waste time with idolatry? Why do you? Are you bored? Are there no thrills left in that life of yours that you deliciate in ridiculing someone genuinely reaching out for help? And if you are "perfect", why waste your time here?
Perhaps she shouldn't even try because she isn't perfect. Perhaps none of us should because we all fall tiringly short of these standards of "perfection." You don't need to worry about me though- I've already heard the message from yonder- I stay as quiet as possible and bury deep any pretensions of intelligence; I bury my head in the sand with stampedes; I spend as much time in bed as possible; I listen to Fox like 25/8 (because 24/7's just for slackers).
While a concern is that perhaps the OP might not be well-equipped to deal with this and may in fact further denigrate foreigners' rep in the K-block in pursuit of. Given that the cyber-profile is a protean thing, you and I can't judge, now can we? Not really. So face value. The OP's from an Ivy League and has had a significant amount of success helping with this college app. thing then. (I'll assume it, the degree, wasn't for marketing though.)
The fourth?fifth? post- the one on visas and legality- would be well-considered.
The real problem that I see is that with the surfeit of hakwons and the general perception (discounting that K-thing) that money equates worth (eg that story about someone failing to give a couch away, but selling it with a shocking amount of ease for some trivial amount), is that even with advertising, it might be tough to draw in a crowd.
Also, given the public schools' concentration on more "analytic" subjects, (eg math as an isolated string of digits and variables versus real-world word problems), as opposed to rhetoric (it's like yanking teeth trying to get kids to compose a logical flow of ideas on paper, from my exp) you'd probably have to start with essay writing in general. Let's also not forgeat the well-documented and much-biched-about work ethic when it comes "creativity" (in the stricter sense). This does hold true for anything reeking academic from my experience at a tech. high school. (Perhaps general high schools differ. But in that case, they probably don't need the extra help) Since the OP's doing this as a free outreach thing, then I'll make that extra leap and assume that the intention behind this is to "help." Also. from my experience, public school teachers aren't opposed to "helping" out with the writing process, and in no insignificant way. Then, there's also cash-aided matriculation.
I'd have to go the route of the poster above- save your energies for the underprivileged. Maybe, pitch the idea at an orphanage or with the English Teacher's group. Orphanages do exist with teenagers. Maybe start with persuasive writing, in general. |
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joesp
Joined: 16 Jan 2008
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:06 am Post subject: |
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BigBuds wrote: |
If you are here on an E-2 visa, whether you do it for free or not, it is illegal and can get you deported. |
Volunteering is not illegal. Volunteering for a politicial organization (or somebody with an agenda) is illegal, yes. So, if you teach your friend English, you should be deported?? no way!
BigBuds wrote: |
If you are here on an F series visa you'll need a tutor's license from the department of education. |
I'm sure all the F-2s have one of those! They also have traffic laws, supposedly, but it doesn't look like they are enforced. |
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BigBuds

Joined: 15 Sep 2005 Location: Changwon
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:26 am Post subject: |
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joesp wrote: |
BigBuds wrote: |
If you are here on an E-2 visa, whether you do it for free or not, it is illegal and can get you deported. |
Volunteering is not illegal. Volunteering for a politicial organization (or somebody with an agenda) is illegal, yes. So, if you teach your friend English, you should be deported?? no way!
BigBuds wrote: |
If you are here on an F series visa you'll need a tutor's license from the department of education. |
I'm sure all the F-2s have one of those! They also have traffic laws, supposedly, but it doesn't look like they are enforced. |
Volunteering is illegal without immigration approval, which is rarely given for volunteering. I know people who were deported for volunteering at an orphanage. In the ten years and change I've been here, I've also known of people deported for language exchange too.
Of all the F series visa holders I know here about 95% of them DO have the tutors license.
And in response to your smart arse comment, the immigration laws are much more strictly enforced than the traffic laws. |
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joesp
Joined: 16 Jan 2008
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:20 am Post subject: |
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BigBuds wrote: |
I've also known of people deported for language exchange too. |
Do you know anybody deported for talking to a Korean in English?
I might buy that you can't volunteer for any organization making a profit, which arguably an orphanage would be, but it is extremely difficult to enforce laws against bartering, whether they be being investigated by the tax authorities or the immigration authorities.
because there are just too many instances of bartering in daily life.
I wonder about volunteering to take somebody somewhere in your car ... for example.
BigBuds wrote: |
Of all the F series visa holders I know here about 95% of them DO have the tutors license. |
If you know 99 of them, your percentage now comes in at 94~~ |
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BigBuds

Joined: 15 Sep 2005 Location: Changwon
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:57 am Post subject: |
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joesp wrote: |
BigBuds wrote: |
I've also known of people deported for language exchange too. |
Do you know anybody deported for talking to a Korean in English?
I might buy that you can't volunteer for any organization making a profit, which arguably an orphanage would be, but it is extremely difficult to enforce laws against bartering, whether they be being investigated by the tax authorities or the immigration authorities.
because there are just too many instances of bartering in daily life.
I wonder about volunteering to take somebody somewhere in your car ... for example.
BigBuds wrote: |
Of all the F series visa holders I know here about 95% of them DO have the tutors license. |
If you know 99 of them, your percentage now comes in at 94~~ |
You really are a fool.
I don't care what you think the law says, and neither do most Korean law or government agencies when it comes to foreigners.
I was just stating the facts of things that have happened during my time here.
If they want to kick you out of the country, they'll kick you out of the country like I have seen happen here many times. |
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tardisrider

Joined: 13 Mar 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:25 am Post subject: |
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SeoulBug wrote: |
Hi Everyone,
I'm realizing how much "education mania" people really have here in Korea.
I'd like to start a free college admissions essay writing clinic. I've been pretty successful so far in the US to get my younger friends, etc. into the university program of their choice.
Being an Ivy League graduate, I'm sure I could have evidence of "walking the walk" (rather than just saying I can get somebody in an using other cases as examples).
How would you guys suggest "advertising" myself? (I.e. going to public high schools, etc.)?
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SeoulBug wrote: |
Thanks, guys. I'll try the local high schools. I'll see what contribution I can add.
Your negative opinions are not appreciated. In my opinion, "Criticism" is good (as it leads to productive discussion). But, belittling good intention's doesn't make the world get better. Just a thought. |
I agree with you completely. There is no reason for people here to criticize others in this manner.
The underlined sentences in your first post are quite awkward, and I think that instead of "i.e." which indicates "in other words" you mean to use "eg" which indicates an example. Oh, and that should be "intentions" instead of "intention's". The apostrophe indicates possession, not plurality.
Have fun with your free writing clinics! |
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joesp
Joined: 16 Jan 2008
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:40 am Post subject: |
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BigBuds wrote: |
You really are a fool. |
As I live and breathe.
My first point was, however, that volunteering must be illegal because you are doing it for an organization(any of the 시민 단체 (citizen groups) including NPO, NGO, and a for-profit organization) i.e. not for yourself as an individual. If I volunteered to check my wife's brother's technical writing it is difficult for me to imagine what grounds there would be for deportation.
Besides which, you can even apply volunteer activities to the F-2 visa by getting points for doing it. So, certain kinds must be legal.
My second point was that an analysis of the law that is on the books may not directly correlate to enforcement. |
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