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jakeciana
Joined: 11 Oct 2011
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There was an article saying Korea is going to hire less this year.
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Most people say they tend to hire blonds.
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| my boss did say he hires people based on their looks and thats why he didnt interview me. |
Wtf, he openly admitted it? Shameful. |
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Hi~ everyone.
My name is tony.
I'm looking for a librian in the library.
Nationality : Foreigner
sex : F ( special treatment with yellow hair)
Work place : library in Gyeonggi-do
Work to do : librarian(give and take book) very easy and sometimes say hi~ with smiling. ^^ |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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Starting pay for PS teachers in Canada varies from Province to Province and then varies within each province.Check this out if you want more info:
http://www.ctf-fce.ca/tic/Default.aspx?sid=625892
Bascially: Depending on the jurisdiction, an entry level salary can range from $36,305 to $58,980 annually, while the maximum salary level can range from $53,545 to $83,158 annually |
This number has to be skewed. I live in a have-not province and the starting salary for a teacher is 43K. A starting teacher starts at a level 5 position though, with only specialists in very specialized shortage areas (e.g. carpentry teacher) hired for the first four levels.
A teacher with a master's degree and 10 years experience makes closer to the higher end of that pay-scale. The Masters degree is paid for as well. |
True as I said those were starting salaries with basic BA+Certification.
The OP was comparing average starting salaries I think (Korea and other starting teachers) hence my post.
If you wish to discuss long term, then theb game changes somewhat but the conditions you outline means a person with experience, a graduate degree and a permanent position.
The true comparison for the OP should have been between contractual language teachers in Korea and Canada/US....
You want to compare fully qualified and certified Teachers who work in Public schools then compare them with those people teaching in Korea at International schools and who have qualifications and experience.
The comparison as it evolved in here is faulty and tends to do what these things do on Daves: make one side of things look overly good and minimizing the other side. For example, in this thread (not you) some people refuse to include accomodation into the comparison for pay and benefits when that is a HUGE benefit. Income taxes also come into play.
The flip side that is often ignored when people idealize Teaching jobs back home is the far, far heavier workload and level of responsibility teachers have in PS schools vice a Hakwon teacher or a PS Assistant teacher in Korea. In fact, the two do not actually compare well at all. I think a lot of the people who engage in these comparisons have never actually worked as full time teachers at a public school back home and therefore base their comparison on a few articles they read or something they heard.
The reality for those who did work in PS back home is slightly different. It is a good job but it is FAR more demanding and stressfull than most ESL jobs in Korea.
So, for accuracy, people should compare starting ESL jobs (pay, benefits...) in Korea with say an average job at a language school here in Canada or the US (Berlitz type institute). That would open a lot of eyes. |
I heard working for an ESL place back home pays crap wages. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 5:08 am Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| silkhighway wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
Starting pay for PS teachers in Canada varies from Province to Province and then varies within each province.Check this out if you want more info:
http://www.ctf-fce.ca/tic/Default.aspx?sid=625892
Bascially: Depending on the jurisdiction, an entry level salary can range from $36,305 to $58,980 annually, while the maximum salary level can range from $53,545 to $83,158 annually |
This number has to be skewed. I live in a have-not province and the starting salary for a teacher is 43K. A starting teacher starts at a level 5 position though, with only specialists in very specialized shortage areas (e.g. carpentry teacher) hired for the first four levels.
A teacher with a master's degree and 10 years experience makes closer to the higher end of that pay-scale. The Masters degree is paid for as well. |
True as I said those were starting salaries with basic BA+Certification.
The OP was comparing average starting salaries I think (Korea and other starting teachers) hence my post.
If you wish to discuss long term, then theb game changes somewhat but the conditions you outline means a person with experience, a graduate degree and a permanent position.
The true comparison for the OP should have been between contractual language teachers in Korea and Canada/US....
You want to compare fully qualified and certified Teachers who work in Public schools then compare them with those people teaching in Korea at International schools and who have qualifications and experience.
The comparison as it evolved in here is faulty and tends to do what these things do on Daves: make one side of things look overly good and minimizing the other side. For example, in this thread (not you) some people refuse to include accomodation into the comparison for pay and benefits when that is a HUGE benefit. Income taxes also come into play.
The flip side that is often ignored when people idealize Teaching jobs back home is the far, far heavier workload and level of responsibility teachers have in PS schools vice a Hakwon teacher or a PS Assistant teacher in Korea. In fact, the two do not actually compare well at all. I think a lot of the people who engage in these comparisons have never actually worked as full time teachers at a public school back home and therefore base their comparison on a few articles they read or something they heard.
The reality for those who did work in PS back home is slightly different. It is a good job but it is FAR more demanding and stressfull than most ESL jobs in Korea.
So, for accuracy, people should compare starting ESL jobs (pay, benefits...) in Korea with say an average job at a language school here in Canada or the US (Berlitz type institute). That would open a lot of eyes. |
I heard working for an ESL place back home pays crap wages. |
Well the pay varies but its not great usually. These positions are also often part-time (at private institutions), non-permanent and offer zero benefits. So take that pay and take out rent and other such expenses out of it, higher income taxes (In Canada) and then compare it to a Korean ESL job. Thats the comparable. |
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silkhighway
Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:49 am Post subject: |
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| I went for a job interview for an ESL teaching job at a language school here in Canada, and they wanted someone to teach two hours a week and were offering minimum wage. They weren't even covering the cost of parking. In this particular position, they didn't want an education degree or TESOL qualification like some of their other positions, but still, they can't be paying too well. |
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Ribena
Joined: 07 Apr 2011
Location: UK
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:26 am Post subject: |
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| If you want to teach at home get a proper qualification and then find a nice job in an independent school. Mostly nice kids, longer holidays, smaller class sizes, parents that actually give a damn about their child's education/behaviour, no box ticking inspectors or stupid government action plans. Alot less stressful that teaching in the state sector, probably because they don't accept the special needs kids, the dumb/lazy or the badly behaved brats. |
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carnivalbeauty
Joined: 20 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Alot less stressful that teaching in the state sector, probably because they don't accept the special needs kids, the dumb/lazy or the badly behaved brats. |
wow, interesting description you're not teaching my kids.... |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 3:57 am Post subject: |
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very amusing.
25 hours as opposed to 12-15 hours in a "normal" uni job.
2 weeks of vacation as opposed to as much as 3 months vacation.
and you have to go to church on Sunday MORNINGS.
why would anyone take this vs say a typical PS job with a couple years of experience? |
Because, man: public school jobs are getting hard and harder to get into.
SMOE and GEPIK are making massive cuts.
Job seekers need to lower their standards and accept worse conditions if they want to get hired now. |
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Airborne9
Joined: 01 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Just a little interested to know peoples opinions on this now. Seems to me there has been more public school jobs available than people expected. Most people I know that were changing jobs, both public and private schools managed to do okay. I even know some people from back home who got alright jobs. So is the market as �flooded� as it was or have the last few months not been too bad? |
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yfb
Joined: 29 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Market's still flooded. Stay away from Korea, it's no longer the best deal for ESL |
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isitts
Joined: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Airborne9 wrote: |
| Just a little interested to know peoples opinions on this now. Seems to me there has been more public school jobs available than people expected. Most people I know that were changing jobs, both public and private schools managed to do okay. I even know some people from back home who got alright jobs. So is the market as �flooded� as it was or have the last few months not been too bad? |
If GEPIK is making a comeback, then that should help a bit. |
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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:17 am Post subject: |
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| There are still plenty of jobs here. It's nothing like how it was 10 years ago, but there are still plenty of jobs. |
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Charlie Bourque
Joined: 27 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Market's still flooded. Stay away from Korea, it's no longer the best deal for ESL |
If you just have a 4-year degree with no certification/experience, South Korea is still the best place to go.
If you have a 4-year degree + B.Ed/PGDE and a bit of experience, Hong Kong and Saudi Arabia is the best. Hong Kong's PNET scheme pays very well, and it's a great city to live in. |
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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 5:41 am Post subject: |
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| Charlie Bourque wrote: |
| yfb wrote: |
| Market's still flooded. Stay away from Korea, it's no longer the best deal for ESL |
If you just have a 4-year degree with no certification/experience, South Korea is still the best place to go.
If you have a 4-year degree + B.Ed/PGDE and a bit of experience, Hong Kong and Saudi Arabia is the best. Hong Kong's PNET scheme pays very well, and it's a great city to live in. |
Very true.
There are also other countries in Asia that will hire someone with no real qualifications (e.g. Vietnam, Thailand, China) but Korea generally offers better money, housing and airfare. China offers airfare and accommodation (usually) but the salaries are lower. It's a good choice for someone just starting out who needs to get a feel for how the industry works. Vietnam has pretty good salaries and very lax laws about immigration and visas, but you rarely get airfare or accommodation. Japan has a slightly better salary but usually don't offer airfare and with the cost of living there your total savings may be a lot lower than Korea. BUT if you have some experience teaching in Asia, then you may want to check out some other countries to see what suits you best. |
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JustinC
Joined: 10 Mar 2012
Location: We Are The World!
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Charlie Bourque wrote: |
| yfb wrote: |
| Market's still flooded. Stay away from Korea, it's no longer the best deal for ESL |
If you just have a 4-year degree with no certification/experience, South Korea is still the best place to go.
If you have a 4-year degree + B.Ed/PGDE and a bit of experience, Hong Kong and Saudi Arabia is the best. Hong Kong's PNET scheme pays very well, and it's a great city to live in. |
If you're only interested in making money, and don't value education or your sanity, then Saudi is the best place for you. |
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fustiancorduroy
Joined: 12 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| There are plenty of great, high-paying teaching jobs in Korea. You just need some experience, intelligence, and charisma to get them. If you work in crappy hagwon and just play hangman all day, you're never going to get a better job. If you don't know the difference between a gerund and a present participle, you'll be stuck teaching 7-year-olds how to read one syllable words. If you aren't personable and make no effort to learn Korean, you'll forever remain looking for the worst of the entry-level jobs. But if you come to Korea with a good knowledge base, apply yourself to learn both inside and outside the classroom, and, most importantly of all, go out and meet ambitious people, then you stand a good chance of landing a job where you teach intelligent students and make far more than 2.anything million won a month. |
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