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duke of new york



Joined: 23 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:57 pm    Post subject: return airfare after employer ended contract early Reply with quote

Here we go...

I've been working at a hagwon on a 12-month contract for about 7 months. My boss has always been honest with me and treated me fairly. He gave me my 30-day notice last week, saying he is closing the school and opening a test-prep type place with just Korean teachers. He's arranging to get me all my pay and my housing deposit before I go, and I have no reason to believe he won't take care of that stuff. He even offered to help me find another job, but I want to be back in the US in August, and I don't really want to start a new contract.

What he won't do is provide my return airfare. He says that, like severance, this is a benefit only available if the entire 12-month contract is completed. It seems to me that I fulfilled my end of the contract, and since he is the one breaking it, it is his responsibility to provide the airfare promised upon completion of the contract. I argued with him a little, but he wouldn't budge. I told him I wanted to find out the official legal answer before I agreed to anything.

Here is the exact wording of the contract:
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1. Transportation: Employer will purchase a one-way ticket for employee to come to Korea. Upon completion of the contract term of 12 months, the return air ticket will be provided by the employer to the employee. In the event that employee chooses to arrange his/her own transportation from Korea after completion of employment, employer will pay employee the equivalent of the cost of the cheapest economy class ticket to the nearest, big city international airport to employee�s hometown. In the case that the employee stays in Korea, employer will purchase an air ticket to Japan for employee to receive a work visa.


So, is he required to pay my return airfare? If so, what do I do about it? I'm not clear what the law is on this.
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Wildbore



Joined: 17 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You neither finished the contract nor completed the employment, so you don't get a ticket or a refund, according the the contract. He ended your employment according to the contract and the labor laws, so he is NOT in breach and doesn't owe you anything. There are no laws, only contract law, which is made up of the civil code sections, relevent case law, and however a judge/lawyer would interpret the contract, and I doubt very much you would get much help from that.

Bottom line is your boss is an idiot and is throwing lots of money away by buying a one way ticket each trip. He should have bought an open-ended/refundable round trip ticket, and either offered you the return trip for the amount he would get refunded if he cancelled the return leg of the ticket. Clearly a VERY RETARDED manager.
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duke of new york



Joined: 23 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunate for me, I guess. It just seems incredibly unfair that I am responsible for the expenses resulting from my employer's decision to terminate the contract.

The contract doesn't mention anything about being able to terminate the employee because the school goes out of business. I believe the only grounds for termination in the contract are the employee not fulfilling his duties and endangering students and stuff like that. Does that matter, or can he legally end the contract with no consequences because he's going out of business, regardless of what the contract says about grounds for termination?
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Troglodyte



Joined: 06 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suspect that the employer didn't do this because he's stupid. He likely did it because he knew in advance that he might want to fire the teacher early (or didn't trust that the teacher would hang around for the whole contract). So in the end he saved himself a few Won. Sure, it would have been good for the teacher if he'd got a round-trip ticket and split the price with the teacher or had the teacher pay the amount that the cancellation would have been for, but really he couldn't have forced the teacher to pay back half the price or anything. The ticket would have been in the teacher's name. Once he's given it to the employee, he'd have to go to court to legally deduct the cost from the employee's paycheck.

To the OP, if you're already in Korea and can do a visa transfer, then you don't need to sign a 1 year contract. You could do a 6 month contract and request that your next boss provide you a 1 way ticket back home after the six months. Contracts don't have to be 1 year. They can be any length of time. If you're already here, can start work tomorrow and don't need to do any paperwork (other than submitting an application to transfer your visa), lots of school will be willing to negotiate with you.
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YTMND



Joined: 16 Jan 2012
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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He even offered to help me find another job, but I want to be back in the US in August, and I don't really want to start a new contract.


Both you and the school have the option to give notice. A good school/contract will not require you to pay back airfare if you work 6 months. In this case, it is the opposite. You will have worked about 7 or 8 months right? It's a bit morally hypocritical to play bad hagwon tactics on what appears to be a good hagwon. If you don't want to stay in Korea, that's your choice. You could find another school, work a few months then leave (around the time you would have left this current job). You still won't have airfare, but you could have more money to work with.

As long as he pays what he owes until your last day, either just go home or find another school. This is the perfect kind of school for me. I don't like to stick around very long and being able to move on to another school is icing on the cake. I like hagwons like this.
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Troglodyte



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

YTMND wrote:
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He even offered to help me find another job, but I want to be back in the US in August, and I don't really want to start a new contract.


Both you and the school have the option to give notice. A good school/contract will not require you to pay back airfare if you work 6 months. In this case, it is the opposite. You will have worked about 7 or 8 months right? It's a bit morally hypocritical to play bad hagwon tactics on what appears to be a good hagwon. If you don't want to stay in Korea, that's your choice. You could find another school, work a few months then leave (around the time you would have left this current job). You still won't have airfare, but you could have more money to work with.

As long as he pays what he owes until your last day, either just go home or find another school. This is the perfect kind of school for me. I don't like to stick around very long and being able to move on to another school is icing on the cake. I like hagwons like this.


I agree. He's probably not very organised, but he does seem to be honest. A lot of schools would just fire you on the spot or tell you that you are a bad teacher so that they can cover the fact that they need to let you go because business is bad or because they want to change their focus to something like an exam prep school. If he gave you 30 days notice and isn't treating you badly, then don't rock the boat by trying to milk him for a return ticket. You're not legally entitled to it and you'll just create bad feelings that you'll have to endure for the next 4 weeks.

You should also note that if you only want to stay for 4 months or so (i.e. less than 6 months) although you won't find a school that will provide you with a ticket home, you can negotiate a larger salary, or fewer hours. Unless you're in a hurry to get home, stick around and take advantage of the easy visa transfer situation that you're in.
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duke of new york



Joined: 23 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't mean to give the impression that it's a bad hagwon or the boss is a bad guy. I just honestly thought he was legally required to honor the final compensation in the contract if he ended it early. That's why I asked.

So, what kinds of jobs would I be able to get for 3-4 months? Would it be possible to get one of those jobs teaching business English to adults? I don't think I can bring myself to start another job teaching kids, but if I could teach adults for decent pay, I might stay in Korea for a few more months. A year or 6-month contract is not an option, because I am enrolling in a university in the US in August.
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bbunce



Joined: 28 Sep 2011

PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

duke of new york wrote:
I didn't mean to give the impression that it's a bad hagwon or the boss is a bad guy. I just honestly thought he was legally required to honor the final compensation in the contract if he ended it early. That's why I asked.

So, what kinds of jobs would I be able to get for 3-4 months? Would it be possible to get one of those jobs teaching business English to adults? I don't think I can bring myself to start another job teaching kids, but if I could teach adults for decent pay, I might stay in Korea for a few more months. A year or 6-month contract is not an option, because I am enrolling in a university in the US in August.


You probably won't find a job that last for only 3-4 months. Almost the same thing happened to me back in October. The hagwon decided they wanted to change directions after I was there for only 2 months. (I also started in August) The owner helped me find another job and move. I can't stay past August because of personal reasons and my contract ends in October. I didn't tell the new owner of my intentions because I knew I wouldn't be hired. Just give the new owner 30 days notice, like end of June or do a midnight run if the new guy is like the majority of them, dishonest. Other option is just leave early.

Your boss is screwing you and you still think he is ok? He should pay your return airfare since you are losing out on severance. He already knows he is under no obligation to do so. Is he paying pension/insurance/taxes? My guess is he isn't but I'm not a good guesser. At least he'll help you find another job. (he says) Tell the recruiter what's happening but not your intention of leaving. The recruiter might be able to find you something. Just remember that now is not the time to be honest if you want to stay a few more months.
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "one-way" ticket has some logic behind it from an employer standpoint.

It means the return one-way ticket is only provided to a teacher who completes his contract. In a way it also protects the employer who does not have an employee with a fully paid 2-way ticket in hand.

As for the OP, according to your contract clause and what you said, your employer does not owe you airfare back home.

Good luck!
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A round-trip ticket is generally a mistake and that's why it's almost universally avoided for 1 year contract teachers.

A round-trip ticket can expire before a teacher has a chance to finish his contract, meaning the teacher will either have to lose the ticket, pay a fee to change the ticket or lose out on the severance and the cost of the return flight itself by using the ticket.

A round-trip ticket can lock-in a teacher to a timeframe that precludes staying in Korea for trave,l or another contract, or travel to another destination.

One-way tickets are the smart way to go for everyone, and the teacher generally gains options and loses nothing since the employer is paying for each ticket.


For the OP, the losses of his completion bonuses (airfare and severance) are one of the unfortunate results of business failure in the real world. Many workers will face this type of problem at some point during their working career: business failure, cutbacks, layoffs etc are a painfull but necessary part of an economy restructuring itself to the demands of the marketplace.

At this point, the OP can secure a new job with the chance to earn another one-way ticket for 6 months of work or stay for 12 months and earn severance under the new contract, possibly a higher salary based on experience and the value of 2 tickets when only one is needed. However, the OP's own life limitations - returning home in August or sooner - may preclude his chance to salvage this situation without any financial loss. Perhaps there are money earning opportunities at home for the OP to allow him to recoup some or all of his losses.

We all make our own choices to best suit our situations. In this case, returning in August, or sooner, comes with a potential financial downside. Whether it is worth the loss, and what the best choice for the future may be, is for the OP to figure out.
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duke of new york



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bbunce wrote:
Your boss is screwing you and you still think he is ok? He should pay your return airfare since you are losing out on severance. He already knows he is under no obligation to do so. Is he paying pension/insurance/taxes? My guess is he isn't but I'm not a good guesser. At least he'll help you find another job. (he says)

I know the man personally, and your knowledge of him consists of the handful of posts I put in this thread. Yes, he is a decent person, and according to every poster who answered me here, legally he is not "screwing" me by not paying my airfare. I'm not happy about being let go, but I don't expect the guy to keep propping up a business that's losing money just to keep me employed. And yes, I pay the appropriate taxes, and I get pension, insurance, and sometimes even overtime pay when it's not really required. You're right; you're not a good guesser. Not all hagwon bosses are evil, believe it or not.
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bbunce



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

duke of new york wrote:
bbunce wrote:
Your boss is screwing you and you still think he is ok? He should pay your return airfare since you are losing out on severance. He already knows he is under no obligation to do so. Is he paying pension/insurance/taxes? My guess is he isn't but I'm not a good guesser. At least he'll help you find another job. (he says)

I know the man personally, and your knowledge of him consists of the handful of posts I put in this thread. Yes, he is a decent person, and according to every poster who answered me here, legally he is not "screwing" me by not paying my airfare. I'm not happy about being let go, but I don't expect the guy to keep propping up a business that's losing money just to keep me employed. And yes, I pay the appropriate taxes, and I get pension, insurance, and sometimes even overtime pay when it's not really required. You're right; you're not a good guesser. Not all hagwon bosses are evil, believe it or not.
He is also an excellent businessman. He is going to save about 4-5 mil won at YOUR expense (if you lasted until end of contract) Now he is going to open up another business. Doesn't sound like he's doing to badly. Hence, my lack of sympathy.

Hopefully, he is giving you a minimum of 30 days notice which is mandatory. He has to pay back the security deposit and your pay on the last day, again all mandatory. That's all your entitled too plus whatever's in your pension.

I'm going to guess again...Sometime within the next month, he is going to tell you that he'll pay you a few weeks after you leave and he is so sorry he can't do it now. You'll say ok because your a standup and trusting guy. (30 days later) You're now back in your country anxiously waiting for the owed money. Nothing...(60 days) Still nothing...You send a letter, he's moved, returned to sender. You call...You listen to a female korean saying, "blah blah blah". Translation: Phone is disconnected. However, as you are already aware, I'm a terrible guesser. Anyway, hope that doesn't happen and good luck. To bad it happened to you or him.

I did some researching on the contract thread. Didn't you post your contract there? If so doesn't it read:

11.2 In the case of financial problems, The Employer deems the right to terminate this contract, provided The Employee is given two months prior. As such, The Employer should provide The Employee one month compensation pay, the last work month�s pay and a return ticket back to The Employee�s original point of departure.
12. Final Month Payment
Severance pay and final month salary will be given on the day after completion of the Contract. Unpaid electric, gas, internet and other utilities will be automatically deducted from the last pay.


If this is your contract show him those clauses. If he agrees to paying your airfare per contract, then I agree with you. The guys a real decent person and I'd work for him too.

Sorry, I love guessing though. I'm guessing he won't. Which is good for you because I'm a bad guesser. Very Happy Let me know how it turns out and again good luck.
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duke of new york



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bbunce wrote:
He is also an excellent businessman. He is going to save about 4-5 mil won at YOUR expense (if you lasted until end of contract) Now he is going to open up another business. Doesn't sound like he's doing to badly. Hence, my lack of sympathy.

Hopefully, he is giving you a minimum of 30 days notice which is mandatory. He has to pay back the security deposit and your pay on the last day, again all mandatory. That's all your entitled too plus whatever's in your pension.

Yes, I already said he gave me 30 days notice. He is giving me all my pay and getting my housing deposit back.

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I'm going to guess again...

Please, just stop.

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Sometime within the next month, he is going to tell you that he'll pay you a few weeks after you leave and he is so sorry he can't do it now. You'll say ok because your a standup and trusting guy. (30 days later) You're now back in your country anxiously waiting for the owed money. Nothing...(60 days) Still nothing...You send a letter, he's moved, returned to sender. You call...You listen to a female korean saying, "blah blah blah". Translation: Phone is disconnected.

We are making plans for him to pay me in advance. Even if he didn't, I could stay in Korea pretty much as long as I wanted (until August) if I wanted to make sure he did.

I told you, I know this person. I have worked for him for seven months, hung out with him outside of work, and eaten dinner with his family. I know what I'm dealing with. I am not an easily trusting person; I was suspicious of this guy for a long time, just because he's a hagwon boss, but he has never given me a reason to distrust him.

You say you are "guessing," but you are actually just making unfounded judgments of my boss's character and mine, two people you don't know. I'm not an idiot. I am careful about who I trust, and I wouldn't leave the country on an untrustworthy man's promise to "pay me in a few weeks." A trustworthy person wouldn't do that in the first place, and my boss is not doing that.

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However, as you are already aware, I'm a terrible guesser. Anyway, hope that doesn't happen and good luck. To bad it happened to you or him.

Thank you, but like I said, don't worry about me; I know what I'm dealing with.

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I did some researching on the contract thread. Didn't you post your contract there? If so doesn't it read:

11.2 In the case of financial problems, The Employer deems the right to terminate this contract, provided The Employee is given two months prior. As such, The Employer should provide The Employee one month compensation pay, the last work month�s pay and a return ticket back to The Employee�s original point of departure.
12. Final Month Payment
Severance pay and final month salary will be given on the day after completion of the Contract. Unpaid electric, gas, internet and other utilities will be automatically deducted from the last pay.


If this is your contract show him those clauses. If he agrees to paying your airfare per contract, then I agree with you. The guys a real decent person and I'd work for him too.

No, that's not my contract. Let it be a lesson to everyone to make sure something like that is in your contract when you start.

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Sorry, I love guessing though. I'm guessing he won't. Which is good for you because I'm a bad guesser. Very Happy Let me know how it turns out and again good luck.

Thanks again.
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Troglodyte



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

duke of new york wrote:

So, what kinds of jobs would I be able to get for 3-4 months? Would it be possible to get one of those jobs teaching business English to adults? I don't think I can bring myself to start another job teaching kids, but if I could teach adults for decent pay, I might stay in Korea for a few more months. A year or 6-month contract is not an option, because I am enrolling in a university in the US in August.


It's hard to say what kind of job you might get. The best way to figure that out is to contact as many recruiters as you can possibly find. Tell all of them the situation, let them contact your current boss and say that you want to teach adults.

You might find the job you want. Just be aware that the vast majority of jobs out there are for teaching kids. But you're here in Korea, so that's in your favor. Give it a try.
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