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jennad



Joined: 02 Dec 2010
Location: San Diego

PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:04 am    Post subject: No idea how to teach 40 students Reply with quote

I'm a hagwon teacher applying for EPIK. The problem is, all of my classroom activities, discussion, games etc. are based on my experience of teaching no more than 10 students at a time.

I'm not a teacher by trade, and the teaching methods I've learned in the last year have all been centered around small classroom sizes.

Can anyone explain or give an example of how they teach the average English lesson to a classroom of 30-40 students?? How do you play games or have discussions without total mayhem? (Games often get out of control in my classes of just ten students!)

At my hagwon we use a sticker system to reward/motivate/bribe kids into doing what we want. Obviously this only works when you can keep track of every student and their behavior. How are kids disciplined or motivated in a public school classroom?

Thanks for your help. Oh, and I'm only looking for actual helpful information, not sarcastic/condescending/pretentious commentary. Thanks!
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YTMND



Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!

PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been doing this with high school students. I know this will be different than with 7th graders and younger. However, I think one basic concept to work with is to not address every student (obvious but overlooked by those who want to teach everyone).

I bought a set of colored markers. Then I handed out 6 different colors. Instead of calling on a student, I would call on a color. Break the class into 6 groups. They pass the colored marker within their group, allowing a different student to answer.

With younger kids, maybe you don't hand out markers, but the color idea is still good. Just tell different groups what color they are and write it on the board.

One teacher had colored butterflies over the tables the kids sat at. Then, she had a score chart at the front of the class. When the students did well, she would move a colored butterfly corresponding to that group up.

These are tactics I would experiment with if I were teaching younger students. Instead, I use good students now to police the other students. I don't know how the younger students would react to this though.

Another thing you can use is a regular deck of cards. I take the number cards up to 6, sometimes 7 and 8. Shuffle them up, and select 1 card. Start at the left or right of the classroom and go that many seats over. Then, take another card, go that many seats down the classroom. This randomly selects a student. Students then don't feel like the teacher or classmates are picking on them. If everything goes well, then you have them select the next student.

I have yet to get games into the classroom. Whenever I try, students just blurt out the answers regardless whose team they are on. So, it ends up more like an activity than a game. In this case, I get two students to come to the board to compete. The more they cooperate, the more they will adjust to new rules.

I have also been unable to teach some of my classes due to holidays or tests. I have noticed that when I don't teach some classes, they have a real hard time adjusting to my class while the other classes had no problem.

That's the last suggestion I have for this post. Schedule your classes so students know what to expect. When you teach different lessons, make sure they follow the same structure. Students will follow along more without you always stopping class to explain the procedure.
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alistaircandlin



Joined: 24 Sep 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need to make a seating plan. You can make this in advance, or use your first lesson with each class to go through the rules and make your seating plan.

It is important to use the students names, but near impossible to memorise them all if you have about 24 large classes - it adds up to around a thousand students in my case.

Think about it like this:how would you feel if you were studying Korean, but the teacher never remembered your name - instead he called you "green," or "blue," or worse still, gave you the name of a famous Korean actor. (I've met some people who do that.) To me this sort of thing just shows lack of respect for the students. I wouldn't like it, and neither, I think, would other people. It doesn't matter what age someone is; using their name is a basic matter of courtesy.

I think YTMND's idea of using colours is good as an organisational thing, as long as you also know the students' names too. It's a good way of organising resources as well - if you make vocab. cards or something lack that, you can colour them to match each group, so that the cards don't get mixed up.

It will take time to write up seating plans, but it's well worth it. Apart from the above point, it also lets you establish control from the outset. You are saying: this is my classroom, and I tell you where to sit. Many public school teachers have problems with behaviour management. they can't get students to be quiet. But if some foreign guy was shouting at me: "hey, you - red! Stop talking," then I probably wouldn't respond very well either.

There's no way I would teach without a seating plan. Not unless it was a very small class, of 12 or so, with whom I had already established a good relationship, and only if I already knew their names. If you don't use students' names you are setting yourself up for problems with behaviour. You might try asking your co-teachers to make the plans for you. Just explain that you think it's really important to use students' names. If they are halfway decent teachers they will like you for this.

My second suggestion is: don't dole out candy. You need to establish rules and expectations, and it's fine to have some kind of reward system, but I'd suggest simply giving points for effort. Record the points for each team every week, and keep a running total - I just store this on a powerpoint. I'd only do this for elementary, or the younger students at middle school. Not for grade 3 middle school, or high school. But that's a personal thing.

Try to get your co-teachers to record which students make contributions too and tie this in with their reports at the end of term. You might give out some small thing at the end of each term, or mid-term, but not every lesson - it turns it into a circus.

If you'd like any resources - templates for seating plans, or anything like that, please PM me.
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Julius



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:55 am    Post subject: Re: No idea how to teach 40 students Reply with quote

jennad wrote:
I'm a hagwon teacher applying for EPIK.

Can anyone explain or give an example of how they teach the average English lesson to a classroom of 30-40 students?? How do you play games or have discussions without total mayhem?


If Epik is anything like Gepik, then its pretty easy.

You have a microphone, so no having to raise your voice. You have a translator co-teacher who helps keep discipline while you teach. You have a big screen TV set to augment your lesson with online activities. There is a syllabus to follow, students have books. There are related videos to play. Roleplays, etc.

Activities-wise you can work your own ones into the lesson plan. Its not that hard to briefly touch bases with 40 students and supervise them by walking round the class. Remember some classes will be less than 40 students: that figure is the upper limit.

Trust me it really is not as daunting as it sounds. In fact its far easier than a hagwon. So long as you get on well with your co-teacher. And I can't stress the importance of that last point enough. From the start, try hard to have a good working relationship with him/ her. I would even recommend buying them a gift and publicly be seen to be making a fuss of them from the beginning. That way everyone will see that you have put effort into the relationship, and if things go sour, other staff members will be more likely to be on your side.
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YTMND



Joined: 16 Jan 2012
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think YTMND's idea of using colours is good as an organisational thing, as long as you also know the students' names too. It's a good way of organising resources as well - if you make vocab. cards or something lack that, you can colour them to match each group, so that the cards don't get mixed up.


In my situation, I teach 18 classes a week. Each class has 45 students. One week is 11th grade, and the next is 10th grade (36 classes total after 2 weeks). The seating arrangements change after they take tests (usually every 2 months). I can't tell 1,600 students to pick up their 30 books, notebooks, bags, etc... and go to another seat. It would be chaos.

You also need to take into account that after your class with them was over, they would have to return to their assigned seats for the other teachers. In their classes, they have everyone's names written on a seating chart and taped to the teacher's desk. If you learn their language, you can easily call off their names based on this chart when the need arises.

The color idea was taken as a positive thing. That is why I continued it. You don't call 1 person a color. You group students, and as an alternative you could let them make up a group name (just record it on the board). I understand in a smaller class you would want to remember names, but if students didn't like this I wouldn't have continued it. In fact, when I stopped because we got to know each other, they asked, "Where are the colored markers?" This was high school students too. When I use a deck of cards, they get excited because they want to see who is going to get picked, not who is going to pick on whom. I have had 100% success with this. Perhaps, the more advanced classes view this as childish, so I then first ask for volunteers. If no one wants to volunteer, then they know why I am doing what I do.

As for being called my name, I could care less. I would rather talk about and address the subject matter at hand than worry about silly labels we had no control over before and right after we were born.

To me, it shows more lack of respect to use up valuable class time so you can impress the class with your name memory skills instead of teaching them something that will actually be on the test.

Perhaps if this were a schmoozing after dinner party, and I wanted to get cozy with the CEO of a big company, then I would be using names. Big wigs like that sort of thing.

I would spend more time doing things I mentioned and what Julius brought up than worrying about where they sit. When they misbehave in groups, you split up the groups anyway, so they have to change their seating at that point. I remember when I did some 1st and 2nd grade classes (elementary school), this was with GEPIK, there was no way to keep all students in their seats. They ran around a lot. You just need to divide and conquer, work group by group.

After repeating a routine, they will see this and get the idea of what to expect next. You won't have to worry about classroom management as much, and as Julius pointed out, you will have a co-teacher to help with the disciplining. You would be surprised what 2 people can accomplish. In my classes I sometimes walk to the back of the classroom. This creates a feeling that I am watching them from all angles, and the other books are put away, cell phones are put back in bags, and after a few heads turn around to see what I am doing it's usually more quiet and they are focusing on what I put on the board (or projector screen). This also puts you as part of the class, setting an example as if you were a student.

It is daunting at first. You won't know what to do, and you might get scared. However, with time, everyone finds a way to deal with it.
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alistaircandlin



Joined: 24 Sep 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Using students' names is a basic principle of good teaching practice. With respect to YTMND, we are going to have to disagree on this. Any professional teacher will use students' names; when you train as a teacher (at least in the UK, but I assume everywhere) the importance of addressing students by name is drilled into you. If you do a quick search on google, you will see that any teaching professional knows you have to learn students' names. Firstly it's about respecting the individual. Secondly it's not a gimmick to impress people - it's basic classroom management.

If students do a test every two or three months, and move sets, rewrite the seating plans. If you have to move students, you make the change on your seating plan.

You don't need memory skills - that's why you have a seating plan. You always have it in front of you, so you can look down and use the students' names.

If, like YTMND, you teach the students in their regular classrooms, rather than a dedicated English room, it's easier - as s/he said the homeroom teachers will have seating plans already. I would just make sure I got a copy of those. You'll need to be able to read a bit of Korean though.
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YTMND



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Using students' names is a basic principle of good teaching practice.

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Any professional teacher will use students' names


That's up to you to decide on. I think it is rather stupid, pointless, and not important. One movie in particular I am teaching students used numbers and letters to pick a person out in the crowd. Students don't seem to mind, I have had head English teachers observe my classes. 2 weeks ago the department sat in on one of my classes, and no one brought this up to me that I didn't use the students' names.

My basic principle of good teaching is logic and acceptance, not rules which have very little importance. You want to be labeled, fine. Not me.

The seating chart is there, when and if you need it. However, spend more time teaching English. That's what we all are in the classroom for.
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Modernist



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can avoid a lot of the issues by just giving them English names. First day have printouts of 50 or 100 most popular names [get 'em from the SSA Web site] and tell them to pick one. Then write those names on your chart. Much easier to remember, and certainly to pronounce. The good Christian girls will pick Grace, the smart ones Olivia or Lily, f