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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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 Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 11:06 am Post subject: Plant based diet |
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Hey all, have a few questions about plant based diets....(IN KOREA)
Recently learned about MMA guy champ doing it all on plant based diet, and I was really interested in cutting down the meat protien in my diet considerably. So I've recently (4 months) been eating mainly veggies and fish/meat 1x every two weeks. I', 6' feet. and down to 148 lbs. and lean, currently at 60-63 pushups and 90 situps first rep, then reps of 20-25 after that till exhaustion. Then Pullups and run 2 miles. That's it for now on working out, I have no more time to devote to workouts than 1 hour on workout and 20 minutes on the warmup & run.
I know the workout isn't up to par, and I've delved a bit into P-90X, but right now I'm not looking for all that till I have kept the weight off a little longer. Not posting this thread for workout advice, rather those of you that have managed to take off the weight and keep it off, what are your main meals and main courses, trying to get an idea of how people eat.
I will not give meat up entirely - dairy yes, but I still want little tiny bits of meat and flavor from meats juices in my veggies, etc. It works for me. But any info you can pass along on shopping for plant based diets would be really helpful. I've been eating the same things just about every day and I am sick of cauliflower, tomatoes, green onions with virgin olive oil lemon and salt pressure cooked. I need variety but I don't know much about cooking this stuff except fried *in olive oil* eggplant where you slice out a couple of nice 1 inch pieces and cook them on the frying pan. I used to add parm cheese for flavor, but I haven't touched sugar or cheese in 4 months.
Daily I eat apples, oranges *when I can get good ones*, nectarines when I can get them, and a hell of a lot of carrots.
I won't give up meat entirely for the rest of my life, because I want to be able to go and eat my heart out once a year at a bbq party, I don't want to lose that forever, it's too damn good. 
For me, it was this movie
http://instantwatcher.com/titles/52525
http://instantwatcher.com/titles/178725 |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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To be honest, I find an all plant based diet to be wicked expensive.
I used to go the organic route most often, but obviously the organic movement has become relatively 'commercial' as of late...meaning way over priced for what it is worth.
Still, I believe it is much healthier to consume as little 'meat' as possible.
It depends what your goals are.
I order most of my dietary supplements from Iherb.com.
They have most everything you could need in terms of plant based proteins as well.
They also have great workout supplements.
Works for me anyway.
Saves me a fair bit of money when compared to the same products here in Korea...even including shipping costs...which really aren't much.
Which MMA champ are you talking about by the way?
Best of luck with your health adventure.  |
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Pablo
Joined: 15 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 12:31 am Post subject: |
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I would just like to applaud Cosmic Hum for *not* posting his/her iHerb marketing code here along with a coy remark.
Like a refreshing breeze. |
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Rutherford
Joined: 31 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 4:14 am Post subject: |
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Jake Shields and Mac Danzig are both vegetarian UFC fighters.
Also try this coupon: PUT655 for $5 off your first order at iherb.com! |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:41 am Post subject: |
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| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
To be honest, I find an all plant based diet to be wicked expensive.
I used to go the organic route most often, but obviously the organic movement has become relatively 'commercial' as of late...meaning way over priced for what it is worth.
Still, I believe it is much healthier to consume as little 'meat' as possible.
It depends what your goals are.
I order most of my dietary supplements from Iherb.com.
They have most everything you could need in terms of plant based proteins as well.
They also have great workout supplements.
Works for me anyway.
Saves me a fair bit of money when compared to the same products here in Korea...even including shipping costs...which really aren't much.
Which MMA champ are you talking about by the way?
Best of luck with your health adventure. |
Thanks a lot for your advice, I've never taken supplements of any kind except for the occasional Omega3 and regular vitamins.
I'm just amazed at how lean I am from eating the same five veggies and very little meat for the past 120 days. And I am so light, doing situps and pushups, and pullups - all easier now..
No idea what mma guy's name is, but they mention him in that movie with the cow on the cover I posted a link to. Said he (don't know which year) was the champ, featured him at home with infant and wife, this guy was in such good shape it was SICK!
Anyway, I'm way too lean now and I need protien but there is no way in hell I'm ever going back to eating meat in that amount ever again. Those days are long, long gone. I don't measure anything either, but I guess I need to start.
I've eliminated:
Caffeine
Sugar (white or prcd)
snacks
sodas
meats in any quantity more than a bite a day. (tuna fish 1x week)
breads other than the occasional whole grain slice of toast
I've increased:
Apples, the sweetest ones I can get...
Carrots (i am SO sick of freakin carrots)
peaches
nectarines
oranges
bananas
pears (Korean ones are putting me in the POOR HOUSE but they are good)
lots of cabbage, the Korean kind that is clear, not kimchi
cauliflower pressure cooker 3-4 min on med hi. then add tomatoes, green onion, and lemon olive oil <---(i am sick of this one too)
My only goal is to get to 125 pushups straight, and a similar number of situps and a good number of pullups. I can already run an 8 minute mile. I am not looking to be an athlete, just want to live well.
Drinking or smoking is not an issue, so living healthy and eating right is my goal. I've found another site while I was (hoping) waiting for some good recipie responses to my OP question.
Austin firefighter (Rip Esselstyn) see link below
(plan focuses on lowering total cholesterol and LDLs (called "lethal cholesterol") while improving HDL (or "healthy cholesterol") through a plant-based diet. Weight loss is the inevitable result from a lowfat, high-fiber diet.)
Thanks again CH, this is all new to me since I've been eating meat every day for most of my adult life. It's a wake up call really.
http://engine2diet.com/
What I have trouble with the most (when researching these kinds of subjects) is this:
example:
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The author appropriately addresses the seriousness of cardiovascular disease and Type 2 diabetes and correctly points to some lifestyle choices that can lead to them.
However, the Engine 2 Diet recommends the following macronutrient configuration:
Protein: 2 ½ percent to 6 percent
Fat: 9 percent to 15 percent
Carb: plant-based carbohydrates make up the rest of the diet (75 percent).
This extremely low fat intake would explain why the pounds "burn away" and the protein recommendations are well below 2005Dietary Guidelines recommendations of 10 percent to 35 percent. The author also suggests a direct cause/effect of eating dairy products and Type |
When they start throwing around numbers in percentages, I have no idea what's good or bad. I just want to eat right. |
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drydell
Joined: 01 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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Hi OP
The Engine2 is very similar to Mcdougall - it's all whole foods unprocessed, minimise/cut out meat dairy, refined carbs etc just follow the basic guidelines and you can't go wrong - eat as much as you like (but as you know the oil is a big no-no)
Your list of foods seems to be lacking the staples they suggest like brown rice, potatoes sweet potatoes, oats, wholemeal pasta ect ect.... for recipes there's tons and tons online check out the mcdougall site for that - all free
Interesting that Rip is now training with Lance Armstrong - who's getting into ironman now...
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/03/29/lance-armstrong-2012_n_1262237.html |
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warmachinenkorea
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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You might be interested in Eat To Live by Mark Furhman. My wife and I use some of these principles but not all of it. I'm opposite of you in body composition at 297 lbs. I'm down form 317lbs from mid Jan.
I would say get more leafy greens in your diet. Kale, spinach and tons of others are easy to get here.
Sounds like your going for a look rather than performance. But try incorporating some weights into your workout. |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks you guys, much appreciated good info |
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:00 am Post subject: |
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| drydell wrote: |
eat as much as you like (but as you know the oil is a big no-no)
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wrong wrong wrong.
this is NEVER solid advice, no matter how good your diet it. it irks me to read nonsense like this because it's this mentality that is getting people fat in the first place.
it goes like this: don't consume more calories than you are going to burn off in a day. diets be d@mned, and it's really that simple. the sad reality is most of the population do not even know what a calories is let alone how to manage them. obviously i'd recommend a balanced diet, but you could still manage your calories with junk food (also note that while you might be able to control your weight with junk food, your health will still suffer). all these silly and exotic diets of only sumatran monkeys born on the fifth day of august or leafy greens grown from dodo bird droppings under a rainbow are pointless and unnecessary. simply put, if a person is fat it is their fault and not their diet.
eat healthy and sensible and NOT more than you are going to burn off.
also, olive oil is quite good for your body, especially your heart. |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:13 am Post subject: |
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| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| also, olive oil is quite good for your body, especially your heart. |
Don't you mean...olive oil: made from Castelvetrano olives grown and harvested on the organic rich soils of Sicily, then slowly pressed into oil by the silky smooth palms and thighs of Vestal Virgins, is quite good for your body, especially your heart?  |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:13 am Post subject: |
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I must have been really deficient in Vitamin C during this process, although I don't understand why...I do eat OJs and I do take the occasional vitamin 2x a week...
Just ate 10 oranges in a row and I feel wonderful.
Is it the sugar my body is craving? Man, fruits never tasted so damned good. |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:15 am Post subject: |
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| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| drydell wrote: |
eat as much as you like (but as you know the oil is a big no-no)
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wrong wrong wrong.
this is NEVER solid advice, no matter how good your diet it. it irks me to read nonsense like this because it's this mentality that is getting people fat in the first place.
it goes like this: don't consume more calories than you are going to burn off in a day. diets be d@mned, and it's really that simple. the sad reality is most of the population do not even know what a calories is let alone how to manage them. obviously i'd recommend a balanced diet, but you could still manage your calories with junk food (also note that while you might be able to control your weight with junk food, your health will still suffer). all these silly and exotic diets of only sumatran monkeys born on the fifth day of august or leafy greens grown from dodo bird droppings under a rainbow are pointless and unnecessary. simply put, if a person is fat it is their fault and not their diet.
eat healthy and sensible and NOT more than you are going to burn off.
also, olive oil is quite good for your body, especially your heart. |
Yes, my body also reacts pretty quick to changes - today I just had this craving for oranges. I had about 10-12 in the fridge that were four days old. Once I started sucking oj wedges, I couldn't stop until I had finished them ALL.
Amazing how our bodies work.
Check this book out, an exchange student from Denmark gave it to me today.
It describes exactly what happened to me and how my stomach couldn't take the processed foods anymore. Once it was all cleaned out, it's like a total reset of your body. Can't really explain it, just have to experience it. For me, it's new. And feels good to be off the big quantities of meats I used to think I needed every day. Still craving a big steak though...lol
The book is old, and no I don't have cancer. But it's a really good book so far. Learning a bit too. There are recipes in the back...
http://www.amazon.com/Mysterious-Cause-Illness-N-D-Matsen/dp/0915421097 |
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drydell
Joined: 01 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:20 am Post subject: |
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| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| drydell wrote: |
eat as much as you like (but as you know the oil is a big no-no)
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wrong wrong wrong.
this is NEVER solid advice, no matter how good your diet it. it irks me to read nonsense like this because it's this mentality that is getting people fat in the first place.
it goes like this: don't consume more calories than you are going to burn off in a day. diets be d@mned, and it's really that simple. the sad reality is most of the population do not even know what a calories is let alone how to manage them. obviously i'd recommend a balanced diet, but you could still manage your calories with junk food (also note that while you might be able to control your weight with junk food, your health will still suffer). all these silly and exotic diets of only sumatran monkeys born on the fifth day of august or leafy greens grown from dodo bird droppings under a rainbow are pointless and unnecessary. simply put, if a person is fat it is their fault and not their diet.
eat healthy and sensible and NOT more than you are going to burn off.
also, olive oil is quite good for your body, especially your heart. |
hmm let's see - this is a difficult one.... do I take the advice of the only two experts who have published clinical studies in major journals showing actual disease reversal in people with heart disease - on strict no added fat diets...(that olive oil is non-cardioprotective and actually harmful) Caldwell B. Esselstyn and Dean Ornish - people who have risen to the highest levels in their fields... or do I listen to some ESL teacher who thinks they are a nutrition guru all of a sudden cos they read some stuff on the internet. (probably paleo bro-science or something as bad..) that's got me scratching my head - real dilemma that one...
Sarcasm aside - I was simply talking about the particular diet the OP had mentioned - I don't mind if anyone has olive oil - lot worse things to be eating...but that it is a health food will turn out to be one of the great marketing scams of the last couple of decades... |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:38 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for helping me out drydell.
All of your help turns the  on, and a little more edu for me is what the doctor ordered. |
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| drydell wrote: |
hmm let's see - this is a difficult one.... do I take the advice of the only two experts who have published clinical studies in major journals showing actual disease reversal in people with heart disease - on strict no added fat diets...(that olive oil is non-cardioprotective and actually harmful) Caldwell B. Esselstyn and Dean Ornish - people who have risen to the highest levels in their fields... or do I listen to some ESL teacher who thinks they are a nutrition guru all of a sudden cos they read some stuff on the internet. (probably paleo bro-science or something as bad..) that's got me scratching my head - real dilemma that one...
Sarcasm aside - I was simply talking about the particular diet the OP had mentioned - I don't mind if anyone has olive oil - lot worse things to be eating...but that it is a health food will turn out to be one of the great marketing scams of the last couple of decades... |
did you even read what i wrote? if you can dispute what i wrote and follow some "experts" without thinking for yourself then you have some rough life lessons ahead. and you seem to think for some reason that these two men are the only ones who have it right. the world's a big place sailor, full of many different types of foods and diets. the difference between what i typed and what they write is that mine is fundamental and based off irrefutable science. theirs is full of hyped up diets that may or may not work but are ultimately designed to sell lots of books and attempt to convince people that they have re-invented the wheel. believe what you will but there's a good chance you will be wrong.
by the way, i'm not a teacher, but good stab at the teachers here. i hope you aren't one because that'd make you doubly foolish to say something like that. |
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