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justpale
Joined: 29 Jan 2010
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| Modernist wrote: |
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| Why is that weird? Do you want your last bite of the burger to be a bunch of crust, some mustard that's run off and the burnt end of some beef? Why not the best part? |
Now, care to tell us how you polish off your footlong Subway BMT? And, of course, what about a nice spicy chicken soft taco from Taco Bell? I've got my techniques but I'm dying to hear yours  |
Actually, I really wish they would build tacos upside down or something. And that CrunchWraps were clear. As much as I love Taco Bell, I prefer to eat the lettuce last so I don't have Taco Bell beef taste in my mouth. And since I load them down with Fire sauce, something a little cool at the end would be nice. |
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luckylady
Joined: 30 Jan 2012
Location: u.s. of occupied territories
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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the facts are quite clear - it's Western "standards" that swear by brown rice. I too, used to swallow that kool-aid drink - but after being in Asia and noticing, quite clearly in fact, the scarcity of brown rice on one's plate, and at the same time, the also clear absence of serious obesity, especially in older folks.
as I said, white rice may have lesser nutrients present, but by eating a larger serving, one can make that up quite easily. I've had many students who only eat rice for breakfast and get along fine. In fact, entire populations in Asia eat white rice several times a day and hey - they have less heart disease than Westerners, less diabetes and certainly seem to have less weight problems!
as for beans and legumes, when was the last time you saw either on a Western menu in a white-tableclothed restaurant (that wasn't Indian or Pakistani)? |
http://www.mildreds.co.uk/
Awesome salad. Probably one of the best I've ever eaten. Sprouted beans. They didn't have white tablecloths, but those are so 80s. |
so 80's huh? wow, sorry you think so, guess that's one way to rationalize not going out to a nice place any more, huh?
anyway Mildreds is a vege restaurant, not exactly what I was referring to - and I think that's the point, exactly; vege food is in its own class and in some areas, looked down upon, not as bad as it used to be, but still has a ways to go. Clinton certainly has helped with his vegan diet.
I recall traveling across the southern U.S. a few years back and couldn't even find a smoke-free restaurant in some areas - parts of Ontario, Canada as well - much less a vege meal. |
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Kimchifart
Joined: 15 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:17 am Post subject: |
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Why does even the simplest, politically neutral topic on Dave's inevitably turn into a whiny college BA grad debate?
Wait...I just answered my own question.  |
If I knew I was going to have my lifestyle choices sneered at, I wouldn't have made the topic.
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OP, do what you want with your food. But don't complain that an entire country doesn't change their ways just for your OCD food obsession. |
It's a slippery slope. Parent's eating habits often become children's eating habits, which means an entire generation of children grow up eating garbage (hamburgers back home and ramen here), putting them at risk of a number of diseases when they become older (heart disease, diabetes and obesity to name a few).
The obesity rates in Western countries are at a disgusting high and they're catching up in just about every other part of the world.
Even if people have hyperthyroidism or inherited genes to keep them from getting fat, do you still think you can eat anything you want? My father was thin for his entire life but that still didn't stop him from having a quadruple bypass at age 55 caused by him liking french fries, salt, and coffee a little too much. Now that he has recovered from that he struggles with diabetes. This has become common in Western countries and economies have to deal with a huge burden as obesity and the health problems associated with it that cost a fortune (just the health related costs of tobacco).
I shouldn't even have to back this up. It's common knowledge. Go back home and look at how many fat people you see walking around. People don't tend to get as fat here but they have a number of illnesses caused by drinking too much, eating too much spicy food (highest stomach cancer rate in the world) as well as rising rates of diabetes and obesity in children.
Yes, I do think people should be more picky with their eating habits and more responsible for the way they lead their lives because it ultimately affects not only them but the people and environment around them (not to mention their kids). Poor diets containing too much fat, sugar, grease and what have you have been linked to a long list of problems. Kids who eat fast food regularly have an extremely high chance of having to struggle with obesity for the rest of their lives.
If overworking is the root of all problems in Korean society, overeating is the root of all the problems in ours (a bit of a generalization but it gets the point across). You can eat anything you want but there are consequences.
Now I don't expect everyone to become vegan or have "OCD". Go to somewhere like France or Japan and see how they eat. Their eating happens en mass are much better than ours, yet they're not that picky. Just healthier overall.
If that makes me a bleeding heart retard with a BA or whatever then I guess that's what I am. I swear, Gen. Ys are worse than hippies... |
Wasn't having a go at you OP, was making an observation about the argumentative types that can make an argument out of a thread about whole grain wheat. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:48 am Post subject: |
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so 80's huh? wow, sorry you think so, guess that's one way to rationalize not going out to a nice place any more, huh?
anyway Mildreds is a vege restaurant, not exactly what I was referring to - and I think that's the point, exactly; vege food is in its own class and in some areas, looked down upon, not as bad as it used to be, but still has a ways to go. Clinton certainly has helped with his vegan diet.
I recall traveling across the southern U.S. a few years back and couldn't even find a smoke-free restaurant in some areas - parts of Ontario, Canada as well - much less a vege meal. |
Sure, many high-end restaurants do still use white table linens, but many have opted for a more clean, simplistic look. Finished blonde wood tables are really nice. Time change. You may notice that waiters tend not to wear tuxedos anymore. The food is still good, and can still cost upwards of $100 for two.
I'm not going to rave about a place based on the fact that it has a white tablecloth. Most of the cheap curry houses on 6th street (between 1st and 2nd Ave in the East Village) had white tablecloths. That didn't make them post places to eat. Some of the more expensive (and delicious) places opt for the minimalist look.
I used Mildred's as an example, because it has one of the best salads I've ever eaten, and I'd been there recently, so it was the first thing I could think of, but there are plenty of amazing bean dishes to be found in America. You just went to the wrong places. Check out NYC, San Fran, Portland, Seattle, San Diego, or LA. You certainly won't have to worry about smoke!
Anyway, Costco often sells 2 loaves of a nice, hearty multigrain bread for about 6 or 7k. There's also Tartine in Itaewon, Chef Miele's Austrain Deli for sourdough rye, and, in Incheon, you could either go to Shinsegae and hope that they have the "cereals" bread leftover (they sell out, as they don't make as many as they do other types,) or Fog City Cafe in Chinatown. The owner makes amazing San Fran style sourdough bread. It's technically a white bread, but out of all white bread styles, sourdough is the healthiest, and he does a really great job. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:05 am Post subject: |
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Nothing beats a big slab of dead animal meat on a charcoal grill.
Nothing. |
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Modernist
Joined: 23 Mar 2011
Location: The 90s
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:02 am Post subject: |
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Nothing beats a big slab of dead animal meat on a charcoal grill.
Nothing. |
Not doing much for the carnivore side there, you know. People who try to shove meat in the faces of vegetarians or limited-meat eating people are no better than the obnoxious, moralizing vegans, 'localists' or animal-rights types. Stop being so arrogant as to presume that no else besides you has ever thought carefully about what they put in their mouth.
Why does it matter so freaking much to so many people what OTHER people are eating, anyway? Eat according to your beliefs, needs and tastes--whatever they are--and leave other people alone. Or are you really so insecure in your choices that you need a crowd to follow you? |
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IncognitoHFX2
Joined: 15 Mar 2012
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 5:59 am Post subject: |
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Nothing beats a big slab of dead animal meat on a charcoal grill.
Nothing. |
I love it how people accuse vegetarians/vegans about being self-righteous and in your face with their beliefs then turn around and act self-righteous and in your face about their decision to eat meat. People like you are the reason people with dietary beliefs tend to be a bit on the defensive side.
I'm personally really sick of "for every animal you don't eat, I'll eat THREE! Herp derp derp!" and that kind of shallow minded, frat boy-ish diatribe.
I don't like Christianity or any religion for that matter but when I meet someone of that particular faith I judge them on the content of their character, not on their religion (them shoving it in my face is more indicative of their character than their religion).
What you're doing when you do that kind of stuff is essentially the same as what you're accusing us of doing. Grow up. I have never judged or came down on someone for eating meat nor have I ever tried to convert people.
Quit trolling the thread and go back to being a troll somewhere else. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| Why is that weird? Do you want your last bite of the burger to be a bunch of crust, some mustard that's run off and the burnt end of some beef? Why not the best part? |
Now, care to tell us how you polish off your footlong Subway BMT? And, of course, what about a nice spicy chicken soft taco from Taco Bell? I've got my techniques but I'm dying to hear yours |
Save the best for last?
This isn't rocket science. Again, do you want the last bite of your burger or sandwich to be bread and sauce with traces of the meat and veggies, or do you want it be the tasty middle?
Sudden brainstorm. |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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| IncognitoHFX2 wrote: |
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Nothing beats a big slab of dead animal meat on a charcoal grill.
Nothing. |
I love it how people accuse vegetarians/vegans about being self-righteous and in your face with their beliefs then turn around and act self-righteous and in your face about their decision to eat meat. People like you are the reason people with dietary beliefs tend to be a bit on the defensive side.
I'm personally really sick of "for every animal you don't eat, I'll eat THREE! Herp derp derp!" and that kind of shallow minded, frat boy-ish diatribe.
I don't like Christianity or any religion for that matter but when I meet someone of that particular faith I judge them on the content of their character, not on their religion (them shoving it in my face is more indicative of their character than their religion).
What you're doing when you do that kind of stuff is essentially the same as what you're accusing us of doing. Grow up. I have never judged or came down on someone for eating meat nor have I ever tried to convert people.
Quit trolling the thread and go back to being a troll somewhere else. |
You may be over sensitive on him trolling here. You know, I wouldn't think a small bite of that big slab of beef would be that bad for us, I just personally don't want to depend on eating that slab of beef to be satisfied - ever again. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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Why does it matter so freaking much to so many people what OTHER people are eating, anyway? Eat according to your beliefs, needs and tastes--whatever they are--and leave other people alone. Or are you really so insecure in your choices that you need a crowd to follow you? |
It matters when I have to hear people complain about why a country doesn't bendover backwards to match their food tastes.
Also, for the rest of you Veg Heads.
I never said you have to go eat meat. I was simply saying my opinion that meat tastes awesome.
Yet, I get flamed for giving my opinion. Where, in any of my posts, did I say you HAVE to EAT MEAT?
Classic veg heads putting words in my mouth and making accusations out of thin air. |
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Charlie Bourque
Joined: 27 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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You know - health benefits aside - some of us actually prefer the smell, taste, and texture of brown rice. Many rice dishes are actually much better when brown rice is used; risotto is a good example.
I'm not swearing off white rice altogether. I just think that both white and brown rice have a place in a balanced diet, and that saying that none is better than the other.
Nutritionally speaking, white rice does offer a quick boost energy, while brown rice will give you a slower burning source of energy and casein. If white rice is used with other low glycemic index foods to balance it out, it shouldn't have any ill effects on your diet. |
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IncognitoHFX2
Joined: 15 Mar 2012
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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It matters when I have to hear people complain about why a country doesn't bendover backwards to match their food tastes.
Also, for the rest of you Veg Heads.
I never said you have to go eat meat. I was simply saying my opinion that meat tastes awesome.
Yet, I get flamed for giving my opinion. Where, in any of my posts, did I say you HAVE to EAT MEAT?
Classic veg heads putting words in my mouth and making accusations out of thin air. |
You've been making passive aggressive remarks the entire thread (not always related to vegetarianism but nonetheless):
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| don't complain that an entire country doesn't change their ways just for your OCD food obsession. |
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| Nothing more annoying than picky eaters. |
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Nothing beats a big slab of dead animal meat on a charcoal grill.
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Then you mentioned Anthony Bourdain twice and linked to his video. I watched it in it's entirety by the way and the guy (never heard of him before) is a chef apparently.
I'm not a vegetarian for the taste. Most aren't. If they invent vat-grown meat, I'll give it a try. His whole argument is horrendously ignorant because he is only concerned with the taste and impact of meat in food. He seems to know nothing of the health or environmental problems of meat nor does he seem to know much about anything not related to being a chef. He should stay in the kitchen where he seems to belong.
I'm a vegetarian because of animal cruelty because (I believe) it is wrong to eat animals and for numerous environmental reasons related to raising meat. But I never force those things on anybody.
Your whole shtick seems to be that you don't like picky eaters and think that people shouldn't limit their culinary choices. You've brought this up numerous times. Then you said this, confirming you have something against herbivores:
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| Classic veg heads putting words in my mouth and making accusations out of thin air. |
Looks like I was right to call you out.
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| Where, in any of my posts, did I say you HAVE to EAT MEAT? |
Not in those words but you've been implying it for the whole thread and if the "chef" you linked to embodies your opinion, then yes you did.
Anyway, other than "MEAT = GOOD TASTE DURR" your whole argument doesn't carry any real weight. |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 1:56 am Post subject: |
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whaaaa-a-a-aa-at???
Compare Risotto to white rice? Who....wha...
Risotto is way better tasting!
HFX may not realize that it takes quite a while for the average meat eater (me for example, many months) to finally get to the point where they prefer the veggies over the fleshies.
If you're off the meat for awhile and you taste fruits, it's like a whole new world. (it works for me, maybe not you). |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:04 am Post subject: |
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| If you're off the meat for awhile and you taste fruits, it's like a whole new world. (it works for me, maybe not you). |
A whole new world indeed DBB.
Think of it like an introduction to your innerverse.
All the micro-organisms in your body are now adjusting to the new food sources.
At first, it takes some getting used to...the organisms do object initially...some people refer to it as a 'healing crisis'.
Once you get past that stage...it is like a breath of fresh air...where all kinds of new possibilities seem to present themselves.
Again, best of luck with the adventure.  |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:41 am Post subject: |
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| luckylady wrote: |
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as for beans and legumes, when was the last time you saw either on a Western menu in a white-tableclothed restaurant (that wasn't Indian or Pakistani)? |
Yesterday. |
Seriously. French and Italian both use beans pretty widely, and new American cuisine does as well. Again, where are you seeing this anti-bean bias bias. |
oh please. do name the places and the menus. and Italians use beans in one, maybe two soups, not exactly a main dish. french? I can't even think of any, so please do share. |
French food uses a ton of green beans for salads and the like (dependent on region). As for specific dishes, I'm guessing you're not overly familiar with French food if you've never heard of cassoulet.
As for the Italian use of beans, this page seems to sum it up rather well:
http://www.lifeinitaly.com/food/beans.asp.
Anyway, spending most of my time in the Northeast, pretty much every restaurant I go to has a few bean based dishes on the menu. I'm guessing this beans as poor people food thing is coming from either the South or the Midwest |
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