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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| If this was so, why is she acting like an ajosshi? |
Victims tend to become like their abusers, because over time they are made to feel that such behaviour is normal or necessary.
She's just giving back what she's had thrown at her for the past 40 years. Which is a lot of selfish, agressive behaviour. It would not surprise me if they post videos of her projectile snotting and making grunting animal noises next.
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Yes, sometimes, some people need to be smacked. |
Especially if they're smaller or weaker than you? Like..a woman?
By contrast.. nobody steps in if its an ajosshi smoking on the subway. He gets a free pass..as you can see below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ6z_oeoffw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQtn9D6vJVA |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:25 am Post subject: |
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Double post Wrong Thread
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:38 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| would have too much sympathy for some lady smoking on the subway and blowing smoke around them while drunk and cursing up a storm. |
There is no indication in any of those videos that she was drunk.
She only cursed and got violent in retaliation.
In video one and two she sits silently. It is only after she is a) prodded with an umbrella b) physically assaulted by a strange man that she acts in self defense.
Sorry but if I see someone smoking in the subway I do not try to wrestle it off them or hit them. That is physical assault, and she has a right to defend herself.
Like I've just proven to you: an ajosshi can smoke in the subway and nobody says a word. A woman does it and the nearest male sees it as his right to slap or hit her. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:48 am Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| would have too much sympathy for some lady smoking on the subway and blowing smoke around them while drunk and cursing up a storm. |
There is no indication in any of those videos that she was drunk.
She only cursed and got violent in retaliation.
In video one and two she sits silently. It is only after she is a) prodded with an umbrella b) physically assaulted by a strange man that she acts in self defense.
Sorry but if I see someone smoking in the subway I do not try to wrestle it off them or hit them. That is physical assault, and she has a right to defend herself.
Like I've just proven to you: an ajosshi can smoke in the subway and nobody says a word. A woman does it and she gets physically assaulted. |
No evidence that she was drunk? Are you serious?
Fine, but even if she wasn't drunk there are plenty of women and ajummas who would object to her smoking, drinking, and swearing on a subway.
Again, public smoking is more of a nuisance than whatever point she is trying to make.
Well there's at least one video where instead she gets interviewed and chats up a storm. And I believe there were other ajosshis on that subway car who didn't do anything.
And it's certainly possible for ajosshis to smoke on the subway and for other ajosshis to take offense.
After all there is non-smoking "Health and Stamina" ajosshi too.
Unless you wish to claim that ajosshis never fight other ajosshis.
But yeah, when it comes to feminist women in Korea it's totally the drinking and smoking in subway types who are at the forefront, not the non-smoking latte crowd....  |
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jfromtheway
Joined: 20 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:52 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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So what you're saying is that you have a good reason for not doing so, unlike everyone else who probably had a crap reason.
You do realize that all those people had a reason just as good as yours for not doing anything, right? |
What are you even talking about? The KOREAN people around had "a reason just good as" mine for not doing anything? So, a FOREIGNER who physically breaks up a domestic dispute involving two KOREANS would incur equal consequences as a KOREAN who did so? Your supposed point is an instant logical failure, one which you might want to think over again.
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No they wouldn't suffer equal consequences, they might suffer consequences completely different but just as bad.
You get deported, fine. But maybe their family gets crapped on. You just suffer consequences to yourself. If they mess with the wrong person their families might bear the consequences.
But yes, your reasons for not doing anything are perfectly legitimate and justified, whereas theirs are utter crap.
A good indication of someone spewing crap is when they say something like "But in MY case..." |
So... they wouldn't suffer equal consequences, but the consequences would be just (or, equally) as bad? Right. Like I said, take a deep breath, think it over again.
"Their opinions are utter crap... But in my case...," I never said that. This is you, once again, grasping for anything of substance to invigorate this meaningless campaign of yours.
You said that a foreigner intervening in a domestic dispute would incur equally negative consequences as a Korean doing the same thing. [SR: "all those people had a reason just as good as yours for not doing anything"]. Do you believe that? Will you admit it that you were wrong, try to state that "good" did not mean "equal," or will you dig yourself further into the hole? Knowing your history, I'll bet on the latter. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:04 am Post subject: |
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| jfromtheway wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
So what you're saying is that you have a good reason for not doing so, unlike everyone else who probably had a crap reason.
You do realize that all those people had a reason just as good as yours for not doing anything, right? |
What are you even talking about? The KOREAN people around had "a reason just good as" mine for not doing anything? So, a FOREIGNER who physically breaks up a domestic dispute involving two KOREANS would incur equal consequences as a KOREAN who did so? Your supposed point is an instant logical failure, one which you might want to think over again.
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No they wouldn't suffer equal consequences, they might suffer consequences completely different but just as bad.
You get deported, fine. But maybe their family gets crapped on. You just suffer consequences to yourself. If they mess with the wrong person their families might bear the consequences.
But yes, your reasons for not doing anything are perfectly legitimate and justified, whereas theirs are utter crap.
A good indication of someone spewing crap is when they say something like "But in MY case..." |
So... they wouldn't suffer equal consequences, but the consequences would be just (or, equally) as bad? Right. Like I said, take a deep breath, think it over again.
"Their opinions are utter crap... But in my case...," I never said that. This is you, once again, grasping for anything of substance to invigorate this meaningless campaign of yours.
You said that a foreigner intervening in a domestic dispute would incur equally negative consequences as a Korean doing the same thing. [SR: "all those people had a reason just as good as yours for not doing anything"]. Do you believe that? Will you admit it that you were wrong, try to state that "good" did not mean "equal," or will you dig yourself further into the hole? Knowing your history, I'll bet on the latter. |
Your right, I should have said "just as good or better". |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:10 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| there are plenty of women and ajummas who would object to her smoking, drinking, and swearing on a subway. |
Sure, but you should object verbally, without initiating physical contact or violence.
And of course you can always call the security number for the subway police that is clearly marked in every subway car.
Once again... her swearing was in retaliation only: initially she was sat quietly.
The moment you start hitting someone with your umbrella, or grabbing hold of their arm..then you become the agressor. |
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jfromtheway
Joined: 20 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:29 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| jfromtheway wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| jfromtheway wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
So what you're saying is that you have a good reason for not doing so, unlike everyone else who probably had a crap reason.
You do realize that all those people had a reason just as good as yours for not doing anything, right? |
What are you even talking about? The KOREAN people around had "a reason just good as" mine for not doing anything? So, a FOREIGNER who physically breaks up a domestic dispute involving two KOREANS would incur equal consequences as a KOREAN who did so? Your supposed point is an instant logical failure, one which you might want to think over again.
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No they wouldn't suffer equal consequences, they might suffer consequences completely different but just as bad.
You get deported, fine. But maybe their family gets crapped on. You just suffer consequences to yourself. If they mess with the wrong person their families might bear the consequences.
But yes, your reasons for not doing anything are perfectly legitimate and justified, whereas theirs are utter crap.
A good indication of someone spewing crap is when they say something like "But in MY case..." |
So... they wouldn't suffer equal consequences, but the consequences would be just (or, equally) as bad? Right. Like I said, take a deep breath, think it over again.
"Their opinions are utter crap... But in my case...," I never said that. This is you, once again, grasping for anything of substance to invigorate this meaningless campaign of yours.
You said that a foreigner intervening in a domestic dispute would incur equally negative consequences as a Korean doing the same thing. [SR: "all those people had a reason just as good as yours for not doing anything"]. Do you believe that? Will you admit it that you were wrong, try to state that "good" did not mean "equal," or will you dig yourself further into the hole? Knowing your history, I'll bet on the latter. |
Your right, I should have said "just as good or better". |
Hah, well, I hope that is the conclusion of this then. Again, if I were in the same situation now, I would likely have acted differently, NOT THAT IT SHOULD HAVE EVER MATTERED. I don't really dislike you DR, you make some interesting points sometimes. You just have to lay off of this black and white Korean defense thing. It brings you down, dawg. Puts you in with the Patmyth, assuming I'm not talking about the same person to begin with, but we all know how it ends up from there. Gloomy. |
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jfromtheway
Joined: 20 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:07 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Julius wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| If this was so, why is she acting like an ajosshi? |
Victims tend to become like their abusers, because over time they are made to feel that such behaviour is normal or necessary.
She's just giving back what she's had thrown at her for the past 40 years. Which is a lot of selfish, agressive behaviour. It would not surprise me if they post videos of her projectile snotting and making grunting animal noises next.
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And what do you say to the argument that it just as likely could have been one of those trampled upon women or ajummas that could have started that fight? What, do you think they are sympathetic to some woman cursing up a storm and blowing smoke next to them? Was it only old men in that subway?
I'm going out on a limb here, but I think the annoyingness of someone smoking in a subway trumps whatever gender-based argument they may or may not be making. There are plenty of feminists on this board, but I don't think the non-smokers amongst them would have too much sympathy for some lady smoking on the subway and blowing smoke around them while drunk and cursing up a storm.
Or maybe, just maybe, she's an attention seeking nutcase.
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| Steelrails wrote: |
So what you're saying is that you have a good reason for not doing so, unlike everyone else who probably had a crap reason.
You do realize that all those people had a reason just as good as yours for not doing anything, right? |
What are you even talking about? The KOREAN people around had "a reason just good as" mine for not doing anything? So, a FOREIGNER who physically breaks up a domestic dispute involving two KOREANS would incur equal consequences as a KOREAN who did so? Your supposed point is an instant logical failure, one which you might want to think over again.
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No they wouldn't suffer equal consequences, they might suffer consequences completely different but just as bad.
You get deported, fine. But maybe their family gets crapped on. You just suffer consequences to yourself. If they mess with the wrong person their families might bear the consequences.
But yes, your reasons for not doing anything are perfectly legitimate and justified, whereas theirs are utter crap.
Is it beyond your powers of creativity and critical thinking to envision a scenario where them intervening could turn out just as bad as yours, if not worse?
A good indication of someone spewing crap is when they say something like "But in MY case..."
Or do you believe that whatever could have happened to you, jfromtheway, is the worst that could have happened to anyone in that situation. After all, since it involved jfromtheway, it must naturally be the most dramatic and tragic possible outcome.
After all, I've never heard of K-people or K-Cops start to do something but just give up and move on because the person is foreign...
It works both ways. |
Extensive editing night, I see. No, it does not usually work both ways. You're stretching til your joints rip out of their sockets. You are the one inserting the words "dramatic" and "tragic," for no discernible reason. Give up, DR. I tried to be nice, but it's a lost cause. You seem to be extremely lost on this one. Polar sides do not compute equally, and this is something you need to learn. If Korea is the way you say it is, let the voices of weigookins stepping in to stop domestic disputes, who are socially rewarded for their benevolent efforts, be praised. Crickets, my man.
Your viewpoint is ill-substance, based on bogus circumstance. What you're reaching for isn't there. |
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