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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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That STILL doesn't explain why you can't have a preference. You are changing the numbers around, but the argument/question is STILL the same!!! Why can't 10 be selected if they choose urban, and then the remaining 130 have a choice to continue with the application process for rural jobs or find another organization/location?
Oh, you mean like a preference? Before you were stating how they cannot make preferences, now you are arguing my case. Yea, what if? I want to know what if I apply with EPIK, where will I be placed? Maybe I want to be closer to Seoul. If not, then I don't want to apply through EPIK. Wouldn't that make more sense than applying through EPIK, flying to Korea, getting your location, finding out it's way out somewhere you don't want to be, and then doing a midnight runner? No one wins in that case. It makes no sense to go in blindly not knowing where you will work.
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Because if they are applying for any other province/location other than Gyeonngi-do...then they DON'T HAVE A CHOICE. THEY HAVE TO WORK WITH EPIK.
GEPIK runs the program for Gyonggi-do province.
EPIK runs the programs for ALL the OTHER provinces.
So what other organization is there? And what other locations?
If there are 150 applicants for urban locations and EPIK only has 100 urban positions open then 100 applicants are going to be picked for those urban jobs. Those 100 applicants are now happy. That leaves 50 teachers who have to go to rural areas. Switching to another organization at this point is not allowed. That will just result in you getting fired and getting blackballed from all P.S jobs in future.
See the problem is this. You don't find out where you are going UNTIL AFTER you have been accepted and granted a visa. Attempting to withdraw at that point is a no-no (if you want to ever work in a public school again.) And GEPIK has much the same policy anyway so it doesn't really matter.
As for the preference thing.
What are you talking about? I was talking about city preferences NOT ORGANIZATIONAL PREFERENCES.
GEPIK is an organization. EPIK is an organization. You can prefer and pick which ORGANIZATION you want. So no I'm not arguing your case. What I am pointing out is that switching to GEPIK limits you to cities/rural areas in ONE province. If you don't want to be in that province...then you are stuck with EPIK. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:48 am Post subject: |
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Wow, I find myself defending TUM's point here. Woah, deep breath.
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| I agree, but what if Person 1 lived in Rural area A, and now they want something new, Rural area B. You are evading my issue by bringing up Rural vs. Urban. Person 1 wants Rural B, Person 2 already lived in Rural area B, and now they want Rural area A. Why have 2 unhappy teachers when you could have 2 happy ones who are more likely to complete their contract? |
But the reality is that this hardly ever happens. To the extent people living in one of the big 7 know anything about Korea, they know Seoul and [maybe] Busan. Gyeonggi is something they can 'get', they just think Seoul suburbs [which of course leads to loads of issues and headaches when they end up in someplace like Hwaseong]. Then they come here and read thread after thread exalting the supposed glory of Seoul and 'Cohiba's Rule' reposted again and again. So, yeah, when some recruiter says 'how about Jeonju, or Buyeo?' they're not typically jumping up and down at the prospect. If they DO manage to finish a rural contract, there is a strong chance they will want a more urban slot the next time--we see this all the time on this forum, don't we?
They pick Seoul or Busan because that's what most people do when they are considering moving to a new country--go to the biggest cities, with the most assets and the most foreigner-friendly reputations. It's why there are more foreigners in Sydney than Perth, or Toronto rather than Calgary. And Oz and Canada are FAR more foreigner-friendly overall than Korea.
So bottom line is TUM is right. I would be willing to bet, too, that there were more than a few cases where a person was offered a slot outside the S/B nexus and refused it, or agreed but then pulled a runner after a short stay. They are probably trying to screen those people out. Isn't this basically just EPIK evolving into the JET Programme? I mean, no one over there is getting put in Osaka or Kyoto, are they? |
Bang on.
Also it is important to note that EPIK wants to fill spots all over Korea (excluding GEPIK territory), that is a program goal. EPIK would not want to manage invididual preferences along the selection process. They have a streamlined process that allows them to (theoretically) meet their placement needs. Applicants are aware of this (if they bother to read the program guidelines of course!).
Modernist is dead on, EPIK is slowly turning into a version of the JET program. |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| EPIK wants to hire experienced teachers. There are experienced teachers that don't live in Seoul, yet want to apply for their cities of residence. This system removes that ability. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
| EPIK wants to hire experienced teachers. There are experienced teachers that don't live in Seoul, yet want to apply for their cities of residence. This system removes that ability. |
They never had that ability before regardless.
Before you could apply for 3 cities of choice...but there was no guarantee that you'd get any of them. |
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b-class rambler
Joined: 25 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
| EPIK wants to hire experienced teachers. There are experienced teachers that don't live in Seoul, yet want to apply for their cities of residence. This system removes that ability. |
What those people need to do is contact the POE/MOE for where they live directly.
That's what they should have been doing anyway, so nothing really has changed in that regard. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| So the EPIK application is based on roulette now more than ever before. I agree with the no couples unless married. How to explain to your students and coworkers that you are 'living in sin'? |
Tell the students you are married. No need to explain otherwise. Problem solved. BTW...I know of some couple non married in EPIK, but you may be in the most rural of places. |
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