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refreshingblend
Joined: 04 Mar 2012 Location: London
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:18 pm Post subject: Anyone come off to a really bad start? |
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Hello, I'm new to these forums, having been introduced by a friend. I've looked around for discussion of this topic but if you are able to link me to a relevant old post feel free.
I'm getting close to signing a contract and expect to leave for my first job in about a months time (hagwon). I have a reasonable sum of money (around $1500), but I am slightly worried about how much I can trust a private language institution having read many posts on this forum about bad practice.
What I am most worried about is not getting paid on time and not being looked after.
I am aware that I can take steps to avoid this happening (arranging a chat with a previous employee and checking with members that the school is reputable) but I have to be honest, I just want confirmation that it would be rare for teacher / employer relationship to come off to such a bad start.
Your honesty would be greatly appreciated. |
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Stan Rogers
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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Anything can happen. People rarely have trouble in the middle of their contract. If something bad happens it will happen at the start (variety of possible problems) or as you are coming to the end of your contract (almost always money related).
These problems are not rare. More like uncommon, but they do happen.
Good Luck.
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tardisrider

Joined: 13 Mar 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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It's just one of those things you have to prepare for and hope against.
If it makes you feel any better, I don't hear about the no-payment thing happening nearly as much as I used to. Back in the 90s, it seemed to happen much more often. |
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bbunce
Joined: 28 Sep 2011
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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| You should post your contract in the contract thread before you do anything else. Contracts can tell you alot about a school any you will get some good advice. |
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cedarseoul
Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Location: nowon-gu
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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Read Dave's religiously--not b/c the information is always accurate, but b/c you will get a balance of opinions here. And you will quickly discover that some posters (like Ttompatz and ontheway) are pretty well-informed and capable of answering most questions.
I've been in Korea since 2007, and while I've had a pretty good work experience, I've also had questions and concerns from time to time. Dave's has been an invaluable resource for me. |
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refreshingblend
Joined: 04 Mar 2012 Location: London
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Thank you. I will post my contract once I get it sorted. I suppose if the worst happened, I should have just about enough money to get back anyway. |
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alistaircandlin
Joined: 24 Sep 2004 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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I felt exactly the way you do, just after getting my first job, at a Hagwon in Incheon.
I'd been applying for jobs all over asia, decided on Korea because the pay was better than other places at that time. I accepted an offer, then read all the horror stories, and thought: oh my god, what am I getting into here?
I decided to give it a go, and, with some caveats, the horror stories I'd read about Korea didn't apply. I was pretty well looked after by other foreign teachers, who showed me round and gave a bit of teaching advice; there was no problem with payments.
It was however, a year of hard work - five or six hours teaching each day, and not many holidays at all. The managers of the Hagwon, were very far from perfect, but at least we got paid on time, got taken out for dinners, and so on.
Although, now that I'm more qualified and experienced, there's no way I would work under the same conditions now, I don't regret the experience - I was thrown in at the deep end after doing a TEFL qualification that didn't prepare me for teaching kids, but I learnt a lot that year.
Well, after rambling on about myself for too long - my basic advice is that you can only really know if it's for you by trying. I would try to contact some of the existing foreign teachers who are working at the place where you have an offer - see what they think. Also, you should probably expect that you'll have to work quite hard, and that you will have some of the problems all new teachers have with classroom and behaviour management. If you have some such problems though, it's not the end of the world, just an experience, and many others have had similiar problems too. |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012 Location: You're the man now dog!!
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Thank you. I will post my contract once I get it sorted. I suppose if the worst happened, I should have just about enough money to get back anyway. |
Starting with $1500:
1. Spend about $450 the first month (200, week 1; 100, week 2; 100, week 3; 50, week 4)
2. Plan on getting paid the first week of the second month. Talk with the school at the end of week 4 to confirm which day is pay day. They might pay you that day. Spend 100 the first week.
3. You should now have 950 from your savings and about 1850 from your first salary. Looking at this, which one will you need if they don't pay you? You probably will need more than 1,000. So, you might need to use a credit card. If they pay your salary, then you should have about $2,500. Plenty of sweetness there.
Chances are more likely they will pay you for your first three months. It is possible they will try something earlier, but in my experiences it usually starts the 4th month. They shift schedules around, pay dates, and sometimes the actual classes you teach (if you are at a bigger school). I figure this is more of the crucial time. By then you will have the 2,500 + 2 more months ($6200 - expenses (say $750 2nd and 3rd months)), leaving you with $4,700. You've tripled your money, and hopefully the school is paying into pension (add about 500), you are quite likely to have access to at least $5,000.
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| What I am most worried about is not getting paid on time and not being looked after. |
You will not be paid on time (90% correct), you will not be looked after (100%).
The ball is in your court, look after your own self and make sure the school pays. |
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kimchipig
Joined: 07 Mar 2008
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:04 am Post subject: |
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| tardisrider wrote: |
It's just one of those things you have to prepare for and hope against.
If it makes you feel any better, I don't hear about the no-payment thing happening nearly as much as I used to. Back in the 90s, it seemed to happen much more often. |
In the 1990s, fighting to get paid was a regular occurance. Teachers there now should recognise the efforts of my generation of teachers to make sure your generation gets the salary paid to them. |
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luckylady
Joined: 30 Jan 2012 Location: u.s. of occupied territories
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