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Skippy

Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:17 am Post subject: |
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Well if you move on. I would count out ever signing up for GEPIK or any other public school again.
Overall until your visa is verified, stamped, and delivered and that fat guy at immigration or the woman at some country's Korean consulate sings, you can can move on. Just you might have to deal with some issues. If tickets have been paid, you might have to pay back. As above I am pretty sure if you burn that bridge with GEPIK and leaving, you will never AGAIN get another GEPIK job. Even other public school area might possibly ignore future applications. Hope you like hagwon.
Or why not make the best of the situation. With some proper planning and some political game playing you could get some great vacation time. You might have to work for it and maybe brown nose a bit, but you could have some time off that most hagwon workers would kill for?
Plus really? Are you surprised, that a recruiter misled you about a school? Did you remember who pays the recruiter? Recruiters generally do not work for you? Plus a recruiter can promise me a blow job and a kitten with a red ribbon in basket on my desk the first day. But unless it is stipulated in the contract it is all worthless or nothing. Recruiter told you what you wanted to hear. You signed contract with out checking that it was IN contract. I am really surprised that after being here over three years and you did not understand how recruiters work and contracts work?
Me I have never done public school, but even I know that each school is different. Talking to people, you can find someone whose school let them go away rather then desk warming, to others who have had to sit in the dark and cold, alone because their school was been a stickler about contracts. Still overall you have to see all public schools are the same. Generally depending on who is doing the hiring, public school office or individual office. For many people it is sign and cross their fingers they get a good situation. Sorry buddy, you did not get the plum job. Just cross your fingers tighter and hope it is not a complete lemon. |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012 Location: You're the man now dog!!
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:32 am Post subject: |
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| As above I am pretty sure if you burn that bridge with GEPIK and leaving, you will never AGAIN get another GEPIK job. Even other public school area might possibly ignore future applications. Hope you like hagwon. |
Not true at all.
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| Me I have never done public school |
That explains it. |
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Skippy

Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:05 am Post subject: |
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| As above I am pretty sure if you burn that bridge with GEPIK and leaving, you will never AGAIN get another GEPIK job. Even other public school area might possibly ignore future applications. Hope you like hagwon. |
Not true at all.
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| Me I have never done public school |
That explains it. |
Explains what? I may not have never done public schools full time, but I have talked with close friends who have, read numerous stories here on Dave's, chatted with people from all walks of ESL life. I learned things and with those things I can figure a great many other things out.
Reading this board. You read tales and stories, like that if a person refuses an offer from a office of education, that any future application will also be refused. That many public schools will not give release letter, thus will not making quitting or leaving easy. Even looking at the procedures in the past for E-2 visas, those that went with public government schools got some leeway in the process. Government protects it's own. Or vica versa those that went for a government job found to a regular found it more difficult. Still this is my opinion. If GEPIK wants to make things rough for the OP, they can. IF they will is the question? |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012 Location: You're the man now dog!!
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:02 am Post subject: |
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| IF they will is the question? |
Not always, it's not never, and it's not always. |
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VanishingBoy
Joined: 11 Jan 2011
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:45 am Post subject: |
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Recourse? For what? You read and signed the contract in your home country, right? At that time, what did the contract say your vacation time was? And how did it magically change after you arrived here
as i mentioned - after reading the contract and noticing that it didn't jive with what my recruiter had told me, i asked her why this was. she said it was a standard gepik contract that all public school teachers in gyeonggi sign, but that each school had its own policies. i asked my recruiter many times if she was certain of this and she assured me everytime in no uncertain terms - don't worry, it will be as i say. with that, i signed multiple copies of the same contract. the recruiter admits to making a mistake and has taken full responsibility. she even said that she would help me break the contract. i don't want to run. if i can leave this job legally, i will. its a poor way to begin a relationship with an employer. yes, i could try to tough it out but i know the school would hold a grudge all year. i just dont know the best way to go about this. it seems as though i should wait for my arc. |
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Troglodyte

Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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| i have not applied for my arc yet. can you please explain what you mean in further detail Troglodyte? I don't quite understand. |
Without an ARC, your visa is only good for 90 days. So just don't get the ARC. Ask someone back home to round up another set of documents. If you already have a second set then you're ready to go. Take the ferry or a flight to Japan. When you leave, tell the immigration guy that you're finished and want to cancel your visa. When you get back start contacting recruiters. You're best bet is to hang out in Seoul because there are far more recruiters and schools there. Makes it easy to just walk in and meet the recruiter and then to meet the school owners. If you really want to be sly about it, start searching now. Just don't tell the recruiters who you're working for. When they have a job for you, do a visa run to Japan and return as a tourist. Submit your documents. Get a new visa issuance number. Back to Japan again (on the school's dime this time) to get your new E2 visa.
This is a simple process. Plenty of people do this all the time. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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| YTMND wrote: |
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| IF they will is the question? |
Not always, it's not never, and it's not always. |
It's not always but it is usually. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:10 pm Post subject: Re: Mislead by Recruiter |
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| Now I'm back in Korea and have discovered that the vacation time promised by my recruiter simply doesn't exist. Do I have any recourse here? |
Recourse? For what? You read and signed the contract in your home country, right? At that time, what did the contract say your vacation time was? And how did it magically change after you arrived here?
If you work for GEPIK, you've got plenty of vacation time. How much is your contract saying?
As a side note, you shouldn't need to sign more than one contract. I've done GEPIK twice now and I've signed one contract.
My advice, swallow your lumps and learn from your mistake (provided the school is legitimate). If you want to break contract, find one of the many threads on pulling a runner.
For future reference, always always always read the contract before signing (even if you are recontracting with the same school, because they often neglect to tell you that something changed since the last time you signed). |
EPIK is 18 working days per year and another 2 weeks extra for renewing your contract every year. Usually works out to 5 and a half weeks a year. If you can swing a legal holiday (Aug 15th) and get another day off paid or unpaid, it's more like six weeks vacation a year.
What is it like for GEPIK? The same? Don't know where you'd find 6 weeks off elsewhere. Many uni's give you camps and so you get about the same time off. A few really low paying ones might give the full few months off. (Knew a guy doing one for 1.8 Million a month but got 5 months a year vacation. Another buddy gets 2.3 Million and gets 5 weeks vacation a year.) |
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isitts
Joined: 25 Dec 2008 Location: Korea
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:37 pm Post subject: Re: Mislead by Recruiter |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
EPIK is 18 working days per year and another 2 weeks extra for renewing your contract every year. Usually works out to 5 and a half weeks a year. If you can swing a legal holiday (Aug 15th) and get another day off paid or unpaid, it's more like six weeks vacation a year.
What is it like for GEPIK? The same? Don't know where you'd find 6 weeks off elsewhere. Many uni's give you camps and so you get about the same time off. A few really low paying ones might give the full few months off. (Knew a guy doing one for 1.8 Million a month but got 5 months a year vacation. Another buddy gets 2.3 Million and gets 5 weeks vacation a year.) |
GEPIK is about the same; 20 days plus 14 days at the end of your contract. OP is still mum on how much he's getting so we don't even know if he's getting jacked or not. |
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isitts
Joined: 25 Dec 2008 Location: Korea
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| as i mentioned - after reading the contract and noticing that it didn't jive with what my recruiter had told me, i asked her why this was. she said it was a standard gepik contract that all public school teachers in gyeonggi sign, but that each school had its own policies. |
No, there�s only one contract. Though it used to be that rural areas got an extra week off, I think they've stopped doing that.
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| i asked my recruiter many times if she was certain of this and she assured me everytime in no uncertain terms - don't worry, it will be as i say. |
No, it�s always what the contract says that matters. Nothing the recruiter says is binding. And mind you, it�s the school paying for their service, not you. This is �Working with recruiters 101� and this is your fourth year here (meaning it�s the fourth time signing a contract).
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| the recruiter admits to making a mistake and has taken full responsibility. |
No, she�s being disingenuous. She didn�t make a mistake. She got a teacher for the school and got paid for it. She�s just telling you what you want to hear.
Look, you got duped by a recruiter. Welcome to the club. But what exactly is wrong with the school itself? What are you saying is a poor way to begin a relationship with your employer? Why would the school hold a grudge against you if you stayed?
And again, how much vacation does the contract say you�re getting? And how much were you expecting? Are you working for GEPIK?
Help us help you. Based on the information you�ve given, the only problem is that your vacation time (which we don�t know) is less than what you expected (which we also don�t know). What we do know is that GEPIK has probably the most vacation time you can get in Korea (unless you teach at a university). How exactly do you plan to do better if you leave this school? |
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VanishingBoy
Joined: 11 Jan 2011
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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Wow. Thanks for all of the advice guys. I suppose that I left some things out of my original post. I should mention them now.
I took this job based on the vacation time because I'm expecting my sister to get married this year. Having missed numerous weddings while living in Korea, I was determined to find a job that would allow me to fly back home for the event. I'm bothered by this because I never would've chosen to live in Yongin. Admittedly, the school isn't terrible but I know that with my experience and references I could be making more money in a city that I like living in. Last year I was making 2.5 in Gangneung, living by the ocean and loving it. This position pays 2.3.
As far as this being my fourth year and I should know better goes - I can't deny that. Believe me - I feel pretty foolish about the whole affair. Contracts, paperwork, beaurocracy fly right past me.
I figure that I just got here. Do I really want to spend a year here when I could be earning more elsewhere? If, as some of you say, I'm unlikely to find more than 20 vacation days elsewhere - I'm starting to think that I should just suck it up and take the hit. Having never been duped by a recruiter before it really annoys me. A year is a long time. I suppose I'm fairly naive. I'm honest and expect others to be honest with me.
Thanks for all of the advice everyone. |
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VanishingBoy
Joined: 11 Jan 2011
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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Update - my principal spoke angrily with the recruiter today and the recruiter (apparently) agreed to take full responsibility for their mistake. My co-teacher, who seems like a saint, also said that they will reimburse my airfare should i decide to leave this position in search of another. I'm not certain that any of this is true but, perhaps foolishly, Im hopeful.
Again - thankyou all for the advice and information. |
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isitts
Joined: 25 Dec 2008 Location: Korea
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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Wow. Thanks for all of the advice guys. I suppose that I left some things out of my original post. I should mention them now.
I took this job based on the vacation time because I'm expecting my sister to get married this year. Having missed numerous weddings while living in Korea, I was determined to find a job that would allow me to fly back home for the event. I'm bothered by this because I never would've chosen to live in Yongin. Admittedly, the school isn't terrible but I know that with my experience and references I could be making more money in a city that I like living in. Last year I was making 2.5 in Gangneung, living by the ocean and loving it. This position pays 2.3.
As far as this being my fourth year and I should know better goes - I can't deny that. Believe me - I feel pretty foolish about the whole affair. Contracts, paperwork, beaurocracy fly right past me.
I figure that I just got here. Do I really want to spend a year here when I could be earning more elsewhere? If, as some of you say, I'm unlikely to find more than 20 vacation days elsewhere - I'm starting to think that I should just suck it up and take the hit. Having never been duped by a recruiter before it really annoys me. A year is a long time. I suppose I'm fairly naive. I'm honest and expect others to be honest with me.
Thanks for all of the advice everyone. |
No worries. And I hear you on the recruiter bit. It is annoying (if not infuriating) when they do that. When I said welcome to the club, I really meant it. So don�t feel too foolish. I�m like you, I�m honest and expect the same from others. But in this industry, you have to be on your guard. Even reading the contract doesn�t protect you from being placed in a different location than what you were told, or teaching a different age group. You only know for sure when you get the contact information of the school.
Yongin, eh?... Looks like you could be within striking distance to Suwon. And not too far from one of the interstates�may be a bus that gets you to Seoul. It could be worse, but yeah, that does suck considering what GEPIK has over EPIK is being able to choose your location before arriving. Maybe in the future, I�d make sure you have the contact information of the school before signing a contract (though�that might not always be foolproof, either).
Another advantage you have is that with GEPIK, you can transfer schools after one year (pretty sure of this�though, in practice, you might actually be applying to individual schools rather than being passively transferred). EPIK teachers have to be at the same school three years before they can apply for a transfer.
So, I don�t know. If it were me, I�d try to make lemonade with the lemons on this one. You might save more money living in Yonin than�wherever else, even with the pay cut. It�s hard to get above 2.3 mil in the public school programs unless you stay with the same school multiple years. I took a pay cut, too. Got flushed out of GEPIK last July and then they changed the pay scale, so my previous rate under GEPIK was irrelevant this time around. But it�s better than wallowing in unemployment back in the US.
If your sister gets married in the winter or late summer, you should have a good chance of attending her wedding. And I�m not sure other locations will change that fact.
On the other hand, it may not work out and you have to consider that there are tradeoffs to working on the opposite side of the world than your friends and family. I�ve missed several weddings and funerals while working in Asia.
Anyway, you can do as you see fit. Good luck to you. |
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isitts
Joined: 25 Dec 2008 Location: Korea
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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Update - my principal spoke angrily with the recruiter today and the recruiter (apparently) agreed to take full responsibility for their mistake. My co-teacher, who seems like a saint, also said that they will reimburse my airfare should i decide to leave this position in search of another. I'm not certain that any of this is true but, perhaps foolishly, Im hopeful.
Again - thankyou all for the advice and information. |
Well, that's interesting... I don't know then. It's your call. I don't get what the situation is but it sounds a bit messy. What caused all this commotion?
Maybe you have an out, but are you going to be able to trust this recruiter again? |
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