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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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This blog is garbage. His solutions are interesting but you can't expect immigration to spend the money and time to call the univeristy of every applicant who applies for an E2 Visa. The drug and HIV tests are not unique to Korea. Most countries make people who are applying for a VISA do the same. STD checks? Except for the HIV check I have never heard of anybody ever having to do an STD check. Also, getting a third party to do the FBI check would cost the government a lot of money. I would like to see the author of this blog compare Korea's immigration policy to others. I doubt theirs is much different. I am pretty sure a federal background check is standard in most countries. I doubt any of them would pay for a third party to do the check.
I recommend that people take what this blog says with a grain of salt. The guy (or woman) that writes it is probablly another disgruntled English teacher that got screwed by a hogwan in the past. He obviously has a chip on his shoulder. As inconvienent as the immigration policies are they are pretty reasonable in my opinion. Check out other jobs on the job boards an you will see that similar hoops need to be jumped through in order to get a VISA. The End  |
yes, every korean i talk to about this says the same thing."but i had to submit a background check/health test to get a visa to the U.S, England etc..." but once they did so and were granted the visa you can bet that they only had to produce more background checks, aids tests, drug tests etc... if the company they worked for required them across the board equally from its employees, wether they be on a work visa, green card or citizen of that country. no employer should be allowed to demand these things of an already hired employee ONLY because he/she is a foreigner. |
And the key thing there is that they make you do the health tests BEFORE they give you a visa.
In almost any other country in the world, once you let someone in, they become your responsibility, same as a citizen. In the same way that you can't kick out a citizen for being sick, neither can you kick out a foreigner that you legal let in. But this is Korea.... |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:26 am Post subject: |
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| A varsity athlete I knew in university said that someone would watch him pee into a cup for drug (steroid) testing to make sure he didn't put someone else's urine into the cup. If they're going to test for drug use in Korea, they should do that too. |
Careful what you wish for... you just might get it. You can be first in line.
Most people are honest and just take the test normally without cheating. Do you really advocate having someone watch you pee? The test itself is discriminatory enough for E2's, now you want someone to watch? That's even more demeaning.
Let's try that rule (watching them pee) BUT extend it to all Korean public school teachers too. Let's see how that goes. |
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ewlandon
Joined: 30 Jan 2011
Location: teacher
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:32 am Post subject: |
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i dont know bout you guys but ive got drug test in the USA and Korea and they were almost identical experience.
They only watch you pee in the USA if its for the courts or for sports or if your job makes you go to one of those places that do serious drug tests. Actually one time I had a job in the USA where it was done at the job. It was a special cup that just changes colors if you pass/fail. Here in korea it was done at a lab. (NO PAPER CUP lol) |
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ewlandon
Joined: 30 Jan 2011
Location: teacher
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:33 am Post subject: |
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| Troglodyte wrote: |
| slothrop wrote: |
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This blog is garbage. His solutions are interesting but you can't expect immigration to spend the money and time to call the univeristy of every applicant who applies for an E2 Visa. The drug and HIV tests are not unique to Korea. Most countries make people who are applying for a VISA do the same. STD checks? Except for the HIV check I have never heard of anybody ever having to do an STD check. Also, getting a third party to do the FBI check would cost the government a lot of money. I would like to see the author of this blog compare Korea's immigration policy to others. I doubt theirs is much different. I am pretty sure a federal background check is standard in most countries. I doubt any of them would pay for a third party to do the check.
I recommend that people take what this blog says with a grain of salt. The guy (or woman) that writes it is probablly another disgruntled English teacher that got screwed by a hogwan in the past. He obviously has a chip on his shoulder. As inconvienent as the immigration policies are they are pretty reasonable in my opinion. Check out other jobs on the job boards an you will see that similar hoops need to be jumped through in order to get a VISA. The End |
yes, every korean i talk to about this says the same thing."but i had to submit a background check/health test to get a visa to the U.S, England etc..." but once they did so and were granted the visa you can bet that they only had to produce more background checks, aids tests, drug tests etc... if the company they worked for required them across the board equally from its employees, wether they be on a work visa, green card or citizen of that country. no employer should be allowed to demand these things of an already hired employee ONLY because he/she is a foreigner. |
And the key thing there is that they make you do the health tests BEFORE they give you a visa.
In almost any other country in the world, once you let someone in, they become your responsibility, same as a citizen. In the same way that you can't kick out a citizen for being sick, neither can you kick out a foreigner that you legal let in. But this is Korea.... |
Wrong, countries deport foriegners when they break the rules/laws, they do not deport citizens. |
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Skippy
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:48 am Post subject: |
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Like any system with bureaucracy there is illogic. Yes some of the steps and things required are generally useless, but sometimes there maybe a logic to it. Yes an apostille is is overall can be useless proving authenticity, BUT it covers it legally. Which in many cases is what is wanted and covers asses.
Okay first off I disagree about the drug testing and needing it. Here is amazing thing, people smoke, drink and screw through out the year. Same with even basic health, things change. It is not static. I can understand a school or government wanting frequent testing of those who that need it. The thing I wish it was just more practical and thought out. Ok you want to test for drugs., then test, but why make a teacher come in a do the X-ray, hearing test, chest thumping, and charge 80k or more for it. When all you really want is some pee and blood which alone should be cheaper and heck done easier. Would it not be easier to send around a nurse and a guard. Get it done, quickly and cheaply if possible. Once again no sympathy for those that get caught.
But one area that is static that they constantly ask for (used too) is the criminal record. Why does a person need to submit a new one, when for over a year has not gone back to home country? I could understand if they wanted a new one if a person went back for a longer period. Or coruse that logic could be twisted to demanding a CRC from every country you have been in.
Same again with the degree! It is fricking static. It changes even less then a CRC. One time! That is it! One time it needs to be verified. From that point on baring some accident or situation, Immigration should give them a pass. If a person gets more education, then yes, get that verified. Just collecting something that has been done, will not change, likely not change, good! Not saying that a school might want to see a diploma and transcripts. Sometimes they want to verify.
As to wanting degrees. Well it is still the best and quickest way to judge expertise. Here is the amazing thing, there have been people who never went to university who have built amazing devices, programmed computer, fixed cars, built successful businesses, and I bet even done surgery. Yet when people want a teacher, they can do a big deal, interview, test, verify experience, etc or just ask do you have a degree. I agree degree does not alway mean good teacher. It just means degree a knowledgeable person who can likely teach.
slothrop, I am pretty certain that those on Entertainment visas have to be tested. Korean can be ignorant, but they are not stupid. On a weird side for the longest time coffee shop workers (korean) had to get medical tests for STDs. Think that poor girl at Starbucks had to prove she did not have the clap or HIV to pour you a coffee. Why may you ask? Years ago the Korean culture and coffee was very different. Coffee/ tea rooms/tanbangs where know for being fronts for prostitution.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2011/03/113_37972.html
UrbanMyth - Screw Canada and Human Rights. They are even more illogical then the Koreans. In Canada listening to a radio in a pizza kitchen is against Human Rights. Or writing a (stupid) antigay letter to the paper is against human rights . SO person must being banned from ever commenting again on said topic. Or a McDonald's Kitchen worker and NOT wanting to washing their hands., thus fired is against human rights. Not wanting people who drive huge heavy vehicles, should not be tested for meth or pot which could impair their ability to drive is against human rights. |
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slothrop
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:50 am Post subject: |
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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Qualifications? My employers have always hired me because of favorable answers I gave in job interviews regarding my height and race. Being tall and looking white are the primary "qualifications" necessary to teach English in Korea, right? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Skippy wrote: |
UrbanMyth - Screw Canada and Human Rights. They are even more illogical then the Koreans. In Canada listening to a radio in a pizza kitchen is against Human Rights. Or writing a (stupid) antigay letter to the paper is against human rights . SO person must being banned from ever commenting again on said topic. Or a McDonald's Kitchen worker and NOT wanting to washing their hands., thus fired is against human rights. Not wanting people who drive huge heavy vehicles, should not be tested for meth or pot which could impair their ability to drive is against human rights. |
Simmer down big fella. I totally agree with you about this. Why do you think I DON'T live or teach in Canada anymore? The PC there is over-the-top and the country is heading to the dogs. It's like a breath of fresh air over here.
All I was doing was pointing out that in a number of Western countries are just as lax or even more so than S.Korea...something which the author of the blog said didn't happen. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| . i know many apologists will say that korean public school teachers must undergo health checks, but that isn't true. . |
It most certainly is true. They have MANDATORY health checks every two years. We don't need any more misinformation thank you very much. |
Contract Korean teachers have to undergo health checks every year. I had to do a heath check with another Korean teacher one time. Most foreigner teachers are considered contract teachers. Full-time teachers don't (or every few years, not sure). |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| slothrop wrote: |
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| . i know many apologists will say that korean public school teachers must undergo health checks, but that isn't true. . |
It most certainly is true. They have MANDATORY health checks every two years. We don't need any more misinformation thank you very much. |
then i stand corrected about public school teachers. but i know that korean teachers at hagwons and universities do not have to submit to health checks. and i very much doubt that korean public school teachers have to submit to a drug test as part of their health check up.
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The every two year test doesn't test for drugs or HIV. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
| slothrop wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| slothrop wrote: |
| . i know many apologists will say that korean public school teachers must undergo health checks, but that isn't true. . |
It most certainly is true. They have MANDATORY health checks every two years. We don't need any more misinformation thank you very much. |
then i stand corrected about public school teachers. but i know that korean teachers at hagwons and universities do not have to submit to health checks. and i very much doubt that korean public school teachers have to submit to a drug test as part of their health check up.
thank you very much |
The every two year test doesn't test for drugs or HIV. |
Link or just Dave's hearsay?
For sure when they are hired they are tested...or all of my co-workers are lying at every school I've ever been at. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
| slothrop wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
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| . i know many apologists will say that korean public school teachers must undergo health checks, but that isn't true. . |
It most certainly is true. They have MANDATORY health checks every two years. We don't need any more misinformation thank you very much. |
then i stand corrected about public school teachers. but i know that korean teachers at hagwons and universities do not have to submit to health checks. and i very much doubt that korean public school teachers have to submit to a drug test as part of their health check up.
thank you very much |
The every two year test doesn't test for drugs or HIV. |
Link or just Dave's hearsay?
For sure when they are hired they are tested...or all of my co-workers are lying at every school I've ever been at. |
The mandatory check I've had (tied to NHIC) hasn't tested for drugs or HIV, fwiw, but that doesn't necessarily apply to Koreans as well. This was at a hagwon, but I believe its the same test that public school teachers have to get. |
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aznhybrid
Joined: 18 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Troglodyte wrote: |
| slothrop wrote: |
| jurassic82 wrote: |
This blog is garbage. His solutions are interesting but you can't expect immigration to spend the money and time to call the univeristy of every applicant who applies for an E2 Visa. The drug and HIV tests are not unique to Korea. Most countries make people who are applying for a VISA do the same. STD checks? Except for the HIV check I have never heard of anybody ever having to do an STD check. Also, getting a third party to do the FBI check would cost the government a lot of money. I would like to see the author of this blog compare Korea's immigration policy to others. I doubt theirs is much different. I am pretty sure a federal background check is standard in most countries. I doubt any of them would pay for a third party to do the check.
I recommend that people take what this blog says with a grain of salt. The guy (or woman) that writes it is probablly another disgruntled English teacher that got screwed by a hogwan in the past. He obviously has a chip on his shoulder. As inconvienent as the immigration policies are they are pretty reasonable in my opinion. Check out other jobs on the job boards an you will see that similar hoops need to be jumped through in order to get a VISA. The End |
yes, every korean i talk to about this says the same thing."but i had to submit a background check/health test to get a visa to the U.S, England etc..." but once they did so and were granted the visa you can bet that they only had to produce more background checks, aids tests, drug tests etc... if the company they worked for required them across the board equally from its employees, wether they be on a work visa, green card or citizen of that country. no employer should be allowed to demand these things of an already hired employee ONLY because he/she is a foreigner. |
And the key thing there is that they make you do the health tests BEFORE they give you a visa.
In almost any other country in the world, once you let someone in, they become your responsibility, same as a citizen. In the same way that you can't kick out a citizen for being sick, neither can you kick out a foreigner that you legal let in. But this is Korea.... |
then what would happen to people on F series visas? they are already in country working before they have to undergo a health check |
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slothrop
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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Somehow I think that people who find they have diabetes or cancer have bigger things to worry about than a job in Korea.
Also where has the POE or MOE stated that they will kick out F-visa people who have this? And anyway The F visa is a resident visa...they can't do that without changing the law...and that would affect ALL F-visa holders. |
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