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Nismo
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
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 Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:47 am Post subject: |
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| Kimbop wrote: |
| Most gun crimes are committed with illegal guns. |
Whence came these guns? |
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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:02 am Post subject: |
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| The Great Wall of Whiner wrote: |
| pkang0202 wrote: |
MOD EDIT
I've been arguing with Koreans all day. They say the shooter is American and its not fair to include "Korean" in his description. They also say that it is the "biased American Media" that says the guy is a Korean national and they won't believe it until the trustworthy "Korean Media" reports it. |
How could his English be that poor if he was "American"? Sounds like he had moved to America not long ago to study. One of the reasons given for the shooting is because classmates teased him for his poor English.
You let the naysayers know that they can deny all they want, but the truth is the truth. |
From another article that I read (I don't recall the link) the school was actually a Christian school opened and run by a Korean (or perhaps he's a an American immigrant by now) for Koreans. The shooter was a former student at the school and he was angry at one of the female teachers. His original intention was to shoot only her, but he couldn't find her so instead he ran amok and shot other people on campus (presumably other Koreans). |
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Swampfox10mm
Joined: 24 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:31 am Post subject: |
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I read today that the shooter was there looking for an administrator who denied returning his tuition (he'd dropped-out voluntarily). He had huge debt issues from banks, etc. He was angry that he couldn't get his tution returned to help settle the debts. Obviously, he was a loon, and after not finding this person, he began shooting others.
In any case, the school claimed that he was a decent student, etc., but there is at least one student who took issue with this, saying that the others were very afraid of him. That student went so far as to say that the students had discussed how they were afraid he'd do something crazy like this, and that the school was covering-up their knowledge of student fears.
Can't ever imagine a cover-up at a Korean school tho... |
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BriTunes
Joined: 12 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:01 am Post subject: |
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Simple case of Ajossi rage over his perceived slight of respect. American papers who don't know Korean culture have been describing it as him being bullied or made fun of for his bad English. That is not the Ajossi mind, nor does a 43 year old get bullied by 24 year-old Filipinas or agassi nursing students. He went postal due to people not respecting the Confusian "age above all" thing. Alas, I guess he didn't realize he's not in Korea.
Can you imagine how many Koreans would go postal in Britain where taking the piss out of people you know is standard fare (if guns were legal there)?
Just comes back to the childish Confucian rules of this society which might be ideal for a harmonious agrarian society, but has no place in the modern world. |
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portajohnnp
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:03 am Post subject: |
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Simple case of Ajossi rage over his perceived slight of respect. American papers who don't know Korean culture have been describing it as him being bullied or made fun of for his bad English. That is not the Ajossi mind, nor does a 43 year old get bullied by 24 year-old Filipinas or agassi nursing students. He went postal due to people not respecting the Confusian "age above all" thing. Alas, I guess he didn't realize he's not in Korea.
Can you imagine how many Koreans would go postal in Britain where taking the piss out of people you know is standard fare (if guns were legal there)?
Just comes back to the childish Confucian rules of this society which might be ideal for a harmonious agrarian society, but has no place in the modern world. |
I really beg to differ. This has nothing to do with Confucianism. Most, if not all, Korean ajossis I've met in the States know, accept, and have adapted to American life and culture in respect to the "obedience and reverence to those that are older" culture.
Although I personally do not agree with many ideas in Confucianism, you can't label an entire philosophical system that spans throughout most of Asia as 'childish'. Even saying it has no place in the modern world; do you honestly believe Korea is not a modern country? Really?
I do however also disagree on the fact that, this wasn't just some 40 year old guy who got bullied for his less than average English. We're not talking about a middle or high school where immaturity leads an immature student, that does not realize the magnitude of his or her violent actions, to do something horrific. This was a fully mature man, that was crazy up in the head. |
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Kimbop
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:15 am Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
Pretty sure that in most states you can not ride a motorcycle without a helmet or openly drink beer out in public walking down the street. |
The point is the States decide, rather than an over-reaching omniscient authoritarian federal government, as in Canada. |
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BriTunes
Joined: 12 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:48 am Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
Pretty sure that in most states you can not ride a motorcycle without a helmet or openly drink beer out in public walking down the street. |
The point is the States decide, rather than an over-reaching omniscient authoritarian federal government, as in Canada. |
Age over anything=Confucianism=Korean society is indeed childish in the modern world when any affront of an older guy by younger folk would prompt the older guy to go postal. If he grew up in America, he'd just be a loser who f**ed off on all his financial responsibilities. Case closed. If people made fun of some random eastern European who was bad at English,you wouldn't have a Hungarian murdering people. Not a whole lot of Hungarians or polish folk mass murdering in America.
In fact, since 911, the body count of Koreans murdering people in America Vs. AlQueida is now 39:0.
You think K-pop is popular in the US?ask someone in the US what they think of when Korea is mentioned. It's not gonna be K-pop, it's gonna be " what the *beep* is wrong with you people?" why are so many mass murderers from South Korea?
So the average foreigners opinion/knowledge of Korea. 1. Crazy northern dictatorship 2. Crazy mass murderers.
And lwrs not even being up the pat Korean Korean mass murders--with the wold record setting 57 killed in 1982. In Korea. So American gun laws can't be blamed when he sawed down with his machine gun and threw grenades all around. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:21 am Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
Pretty sure that in most states you can not ride a motorcycle without a helmet or openly drink beer out in public walking down the street. |
The point is the States decide, rather than an over-reaching omniscient authoritarian federal government, as in Canada. |
Also: I'm guessing that Leon hasn't traveled much in the States, considering that most states don't have a universal helmet law. Living in Massachusetts, it's quite common to see guys on motorcycles whip their helmets off as soon as they cross into another state.
http://www.iihs.org/laws/mapmotorcyclehelmets.aspx |
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1927
Joined: 02 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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| In fact, since 911, the body count of Koreans murdering people in America Vs. AlQueida is now 39:0. |
Really, guy?? How in heck is this a relevant statistic in a rational discussion?
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| what the *beep* is wrong with you people?" ..... Crazy mass murderers. |
Funny, that's pretty much a very commonly held opinion among "foreigners" around the globe towards the USA.
But the pop music is great!  |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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| BriTunes wrote: |
| Kimbop wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
Pretty sure that in most states you can not ride a motorcycle without a helmet or openly drink beer out in public walking down the street. |
The point is the States decide, rather than an over-reaching omniscient authoritarian federal government, as in Canada. |
Age over anything=Confucianism=Korean society is indeed childish in the modern world when any affront of an older guy by younger folk would prompt the older guy to go postal. If he grew up in America, he'd just be a loser who f**ed off on all his financial responsibilities. Case closed. If people made fun of some random eastern European who was bad at English,you wouldn't have a Hungarian murdering people. Not a whole lot of Hungarians or polish folk mass murdering in America.
In fact, since 911, the body count of Koreans murdering people in America Vs. AlQueida is now 39:0.
You think K-pop is popular in the US?ask someone in the US what they think of when Korea is mentioned. It's not gonna be K-pop, it's gonna be " what the *beep* is wrong with you people?" why are so many mass murderers from South Korea?
So the average foreigners opinion/knowledge of Korea. 1. Crazy northern dictatorship 2. Crazy mass murderers.
And lwrs not even being up the pat Korean Korean mass murders--with the wold record setting 57 killed in 1982. In Korea. So American gun laws can't be blamed when he sawed down with his machine gun and threw grenades all around. |
Except that the links I provided show far more American mass murderers than Korean mass murderers. More than 10 to 1. The facts don't back up your theory. |
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BriTunes
Joined: 12 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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Yes. Cuz all the whites are from the whitey ethnic background. I'm not lumping every Asian together. I'm separating Koreans...now if you told me these killings were all done by folks from Myanmar or South Africa (the two counties closest in population to South Korea), I'd be giving them a huge WTF?! stare too.
And I won't even compile the lengthy list of shooting/killing rampages committed IN Korea, that you are SO cleverly leaving out of your "list." |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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Yes. Cuz all the whites are from the whitey ethnic background. I'm not lumping every Asian together. I'm separating Koreans...now if you told me these killings were all done by folks from Myanmar or South Africa (the two counties closest in population to South Korea), I'd be giving them a huge WTF?! stare too.
And I won't even compile the lengthy list of shooting/killing rampages committed IN Korea, that you are SO cleverly leaving out of your "list." |
We are talking about shootings in America not Korea...nice try though
And feel free to compile said lengthy list
I can think of two. Woo Bum-kon and the Gwangju one.
How about you give us another eight to make it an even 10 and this lengthy list you claim happened?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers
This is just a partial list but we see a lot of Americans here and ONE...that's ONE Korean person. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Middle Land
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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Most gun crimes are committed by minorities with illegal guns. |
And where do you think these guns come from? |
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ghostrider
Joined: 27 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| The Great Wall of Whiner wrote: |
| Kimbop wrote: |
Most gun crimes are committed by minorities with illegal guns. |
And where do you think these guns come from? |
According to a recent undercover investigation, it's extremely easy to buy a gun even if you can't pass a background check:
"Not only did investigators find it a breeze to buy pistols and assault rifles with no questions asked, but 77 of 125 sellers in 14 states agreed to complete the sale even after the buyer said he couldn�t pass a background check.
"At a City Hall press conference, Mayor Bloomberg played tape after tape of drawling Southern gun dealers laughing - a few nervously, most with amusement - when the undercover buyer said he couldn�t have passed a background check.
" 'I probably couldn�t either!' said a cackling seller in Arizona who was hawking the 9mm Ruger handgun for $500.
"Background checks are designed to keep felons and the mentally ill from buying guns."
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-12-14/news/30518032_1_gun-show-loophole-private-sellers-firearms-dealers |
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Kimbop
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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| The Great Wall of Whiner wrote: |
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Most gun crimes are committed by minorities with illegal guns. |
And where do you think these guns come from? |
American criminals attain illegal guns the same way as do criminals in Canada, Sweden and Germany. (Steal them, buy them on the street, import them from Serbia, etc) When they are caught in the US, they're usually charged with criminal possession of a weapon; a felony offense. Perhaps stiffer penalties would discourage illegal gun possession? I'm not sure I understand the relevance of your question. |
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