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akcrono
Joined: 11 Mar 2010
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:32 am Post subject: |
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| I feel like the kind of times we live in now marriage is seen like the serious decision that it is. If Gorf and his girl are committed to each other, but feel marriage is not the appropriate step at this time, kudos to them. They shouldn't have to get married just so they can stay together. marriage is a big deal, and should be treated as such; it's not always as simple as "if you love her, marry her". |
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Troglodyte

Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:48 am Post subject: |
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The fastest option would be to take her in your luggage.
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It depends on how much regular luggage you were originally planning on taking with you. You may might find when you get to the airport that you're over your limit. The charges for extra weight can be quite steep.
You might want to check out the possibility shipping her by surface mail. Just don't forget to cut a few holes in the box before dropping it off at the the post office. And be prepared to do your own cooking for up to 6 weeks. |
I said fastest, not cheapest. |
My bad.
OP, make sure that your suitcase has a strong set of wheels on it. The last thing that you want to do is put your back out while trying to drag the suitcase even a short distance. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:26 am Post subject: |
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As someone who did move to North America (Canada) with a Korean wife (and our kids) here is my take for what it is worth....
1- You ABSOLUTELY need to have something set up BEFORE you make the move. That means a job or at least interviews. Otherwise you are setting yourself up for a lot of stress and added pressure on what will be a bit of a rough ride anyway.
2- Your GF will have to adapt as an expat and until she actually lives through this you cannot know how she will react. She may not be close to her family (you hinted as much earlier) but in Korea remember that she has a support network of friends and operates within her own culture and language. In the US she will have NO ONE except YOU. Repeat that a few times because it is CRITICALLY important. Initially and for a while after you move to the US she will rely on you as her network, her spouse, her friend. That can take many forms but it will put pressure on you to be there and to deal with her own culture shock.
3- She will want to connect with whatever Korean community exists where you move. That is normal. Sometimes this takes the form of a Korean church when there is nothing else. I know a couple (American guy married to a Korean woman from Suwon) who moved to a smaller US city a few years ago. That particular city had no significant Korean community and she had a real rough time. They moved to a larger city and she joined a Korean church there. Not for religious reasons but for that community connection.
Best of luck to you! |
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allovertheplace
Joined: 02 Aug 2009
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:46 am Post subject: |
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Just move to centreville virginia
http://www.spaworldusa.com/
I fail to understand why people move to small, insular communities when moving with a Korean spouse I understand that this might be where you are from but it seems incredibly selfsh.
Essentially, follow me around in a community that I know you will hate. If she is willing to move to the US, or Canada, why not move to one of the places they can enjoy. So if your spouse hates the cold would you move to Alberta? Move to Vancouver for her. If she hates the heat, well don't move to Florida, move to Seattle.
This is not directed at the OP but rather a general observation. |
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Yaya

Joined: 25 Feb 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
As someone who did move to North America (Canada) with a Korean wife (and our kids) here is my take for what it is worth....
1- You ABSOLUTELY need to have something set up BEFORE you make the move. That means a job or at least interviews. Otherwise you are setting yourself up for a lot of stress and added pressure on what will be a bit of a rough ride anyway.
2- Your GF will have to adapt as an expat and until she actually lives through this you cannot know how she will react. She may not be close to her family (you hinted as much earlier) but in Korea remember that she has a support network of friends and operates within her own culture and language. In the US she will have NO ONE except YOU. Repeat that a few times because it is CRITICALLY important. Initially and for a while after you move to the US she will rely on you as her network, her spouse, her friend. That can take many forms but it will put pressure on you to be there and to deal with her own culture shock.
3- She will want to connect with whatever Korean community exists where you move. That is normal. Sometimes this takes the form of a Korean church when there is nothing else. I know a couple (American guy married to a Korean woman from Suwon) who moved to a smaller US city a few years ago. That particular city had no significant Korean community and she had a real rough time. They moved to a larger city and she joined a Korean church there. Not for religious reasons but for that community connection.
Best of luck to you! |
I'd say you don't ABSOLUTELY need something lined up, but you DO need a plan. I know a few couples who took it easy for a while then found work. The fact is, it's TOUGH to set up something like a job while you're abroad and you'll need to build yourself back up in your home country.
Unexpected things can happen (I read in one book about Korean Americans about how one immigrant couple went through their 100,000 dollars in savings way faster than thought, then one of them got seriously ill), so another piece of advice is to expect the unexpected. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:06 am Post subject: |
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Yaya,
A person can set things up for themselves if they planned the move to the US/Canada or wherever they are going and acted on that plan in advance.
Lining up work or interviews can be done from abroad, especially in today's world. Do your research, figure out a plan and work towards it. This will not guarantee success but it will remove a lot of unknowns and stress from the move.
If you have the savings that enable you to take it easy while you look for work after you move that is great but frankly speaking that is also something that can be planned for...for exampe: Lets see, we want to move to the US and my spouse will not be able to work initially...what are the startup costs (housing) and how much do we need to have in savings to last us during the settling period?
Find that number and make the move only when you have the target savings.
Of course, unexpected things will happen. We all know mixed couples of made such moves and for some it turned into a complete disaster! The common denominator for those who transitioned successfully however is that they prepared for the move in advance. |
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Adam Carolla
Joined: 26 Feb 2010
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:51 am Post subject: |
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Just move to centreville virginia
http://www.spaworldusa.com/
I fail to understand why people move to small, insular communities when moving with a Korean spouse I understand that this might be where you are from but it seems incredibly selfsh.
Essentially, follow me around in a community that I know you will hate. If she is willing to move to the US, or Canada, why not move to one of the places they can enjoy. So if your spouse hates the cold would you move to Alberta? Move to Vancouver for her. If she hates the heat, well don't move to Florida, move to Seattle.
This is not directed at the OP but rather a general observation. |
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess the main reason most people don't move to large cities with sizable Korean communities is related to cost of living coupled with employment opportunities.
I mean, the examples you've posited, Vancouver and Seattle, are hardly the cheapest places in the world to live. I'm sure they are lovely places to live provided you have a job that will compensate you well enough to afford to live in them. But that's hardly likely if one spent a few years living in Korea teaching ESL and is contemplating a move back to the U.S./Canada (or whichever country you happen to be from.) (Note: I didn't say it was impossible, I said it wasn't likely, for those of you with a pedantic bent.)
My wife reads forums filled with Korean women who've relocated to the places you described, large cities with plenty of Koreans, and many of them complain that they don't have enough money to get by, and I'm talking about $100k per year.
So, there are valid reasons for not moving to larger cities. |
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allovertheplace
Joined: 02 Aug 2009
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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They are indeed very expensive locations. Doesn't take away from my point though.
If you want cheap life why leave korea in this first place? i just think that guys bringing korean gfs of wives back should think much more about their partners happiness over their own desire to live near friends and family.
Also DC and NYC (two of the most expensive cities in NA), are the locations with the most employment opportunities - for you and your spouse. |
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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i just think that guys bringing korean gfs of wives back should think much more about their partners happiness over their own desire to live near friends and family.
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Yep, this is very important. I went back to NZ with my wife to get my high school teaching degree with the plan to return to Korea to save up money afterwards. The reason why we did it in that order, rather than saving up the necessary money first, was that it was vital that my wife got to experience living in NZ to make sure she could be happy there. I couldn't think of a worse result than slaving away in Korea for several years, heading back home, and finding your wife simply can't stand the place (for whatever reason). The stress would be enormous.
Luckily for us, my wife loved New Zealand and felt very comfortable there (in Auckland, where there is a large Korean expat community, of course), so now we are back in Korea with clear goals and she looks forward to getting back. |
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hack

Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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Why would you want to complicate your life by taking her back? At some point you are going to split up, probably she's going to leave you when she gets a taste of the good life. Then you're going to be on the financial hook for her and there isn't a thing you can do about it because you have to guarantee her financial existence if and when you can finally get her there. It's irrelevant who leaves who-you are responsible for her.
I've got 2 teachers right now who married in Asia and after a lengthy process brought them back-1 from Korea and 1 from China. Both are bugging me now for extra shifts as they have both split from their wives and now they have to support them.
If you feel the need to get married, find someone who is already a qualified resident or citizen. You're probably still going to split up but you won't get as badly screwed over as you will if you are the reason they immigrated.
You can thank me now or you can wish you had listened to me when the inevitable happens. |
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Modernist
Joined: 23 Mar 2011 Location: The 90s
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| If you feel the need to get married, find someone who is already a qualified resident or citizen. You're probably still going to split up but you won't get as badly screwed over as you will if you are the reason they immigrated. |
Ah, a romantic! |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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Why would you want to complicate your life by taking her back? At some point you are going to split up, probably she's going to leave you when she gets a taste of the good life. Then you're going to be on the financial hook for her and there isn't a thing you can do about it because you have to guarantee her financial existence if and when you can finally get her there. It's irrelevant who leaves who-you are responsible for her.
I've got 2 teachers right now who married in Asia and after a lengthy process brought them back-1 from Korea and 1 from China. Both are bugging me now for extra shifts as they have both split from their wives and now they have to support them.
If you feel the need to get married, find someone who is already a qualified resident or citizen. You're probably still going to split up but you won't get as badly screwed over as you will if you are the reason they immigrated.
You can thank me now or you can wish you had listened to me when the inevitable happens. |
^That's actually a good post. (although I'd say 'inevitable' is too strong a word)
But all possibilities need to be considered.
Also, Patrick's comment about not knowing how they will react until they are actually abroad is a big concern too.
Remember, they are moving from Korea; a very sheltered bubble of a place. Huge cultural differences. It's almost like going to another planet for them. They could love getting out of the bubble, or they could completely freak out and blame you for the change.
Roll of the dice for sure.
Took a Korean girlfriend on a small road trip in the US once. We went through Utah (not many Asians there), and she freaked that some people had the audacity to look at her.
Nobody pointed, giggled, gasped, yelled "Anyong haseyo!", or said "Ah! A foreigner!" But she was still really bothered.
It was an awesome road trip (Grand Canyon, etc.) but she said she felt "non-human" from the way a few people looked at her. Being a foreigner in Korea, I guess I can understand that, but some people still adjust better than others. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 3:21 am Post subject: |
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Why would you want to complicate your life by taking her back? At some point you are going to split up, probably she's going to leave you when she gets a taste of the good life. Then you're going to be on the financial hook for her and there isn't a thing you can do about it because you have to guarantee her financial existence if and when you can finally get her there. It's irrelevant who leaves who-you are responsible for her.
I've got 2 teachers right now who married in Asia and after a lengthy process brought them back-1 from Korea and 1 from China. Both are bugging me now for extra shifts as they have both split from their wives and now they have to support them.
If you feel the need to get married, find someone who is already a qualified resident or citizen. You're probably still going to split up but you won't get as badly screwed over as you will if you are the reason they immigrated.
You can thank me now or you can wish you had listened to me when the inevitable happens. |
While divorce is a possibility, it is not the norm (unless you can actually provide stats on this) nor is it higher in mixed couples than in non-mixed couples.
Anyway, the point you made indirectly is valid: be sure of your relationship before you decide to uproot your spouse and move to your home country with her. |
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Adam Carolla
Joined: 26 Feb 2010
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:28 am Post subject: |
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They are indeed very expensive locations. Doesn't take away from my point though.
If you want cheap life why leave korea in this first place? i just think that guys bringing korean gfs of wives back should think much more about their partners happiness over their own desire to live near friends and family.
Also DC and NYC (two of the most expensive cities in NA), are the locations with the most employment opportunities - for you and your spouse. |
First, it's clear you have some kind of issue with foreign men and Korean women, else why would you assume that the foreign man is being selfish and simply wants to "live near friends and family"? Why assume that the foreign man isn't thinking about his partner's happiness? Why assume the Korean woman has no say about where the family relocates to? How do you know they don't come to a decision together?
I've already outlined reasons why moving to a big city might not be ideal. Of course, if you need further proof, there's this:
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2009-02-05/news/17916262_1_new-yorkers-urban-future-expensive-urban-area
The short version is that you need to earn 100k per year to be middle class in New York. Sure, maybe there are more jobs in NYC than in other places, however, I posit that if you were coming from a career in ESL that you would not qualify for a job paying in excess of $100k per year, which makes your jobs point pretty meaningless.
Second, you ask: "If you want cheap life why leave korea in this first place?"
A) Nobody mentioned anything about wanting a "cheap life", and B) there are plenty of reasons for moving out of Korea and I'm quite frankly shocked that you can't come up with any on your own.
Honestly, it sounds like you have issues with foreign men and Korean women. I can't really think of any other reason why you've pigeon-holed the foreign man as being "selfish" and needing to live in his home town to be close to friends and family, while also assuming that the Korean spouse has no say in the matter. |
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hack

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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| If you feel the need to get married, find someone who is already a qualified resident or citizen. You're probably still going to split up but you won't get as badly screwed over as you will if you are the reason they immigrated. |
Ah, a romantic! |
LOL No just a realist |
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