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crisdean
Joined: 04 Feb 2010
Location: Seoul Special City
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| fosterman wrote: |
An eye for an eye!
and my kids know they don't have to fear bullys. cause if they get robbed or beaten up.
I will bring it! |
Damn straight!
It's a dog eat dog world; you have look out for your children, because no one else is going to. |
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motiontodismiss
Joined: 18 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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| fosterman wrote: |
and my kids know they don't have to fear bullys. cause if they get robbed or beaten up.
I will bring it! |
Seriously. I strongly oppose corporal punishment but I'd love nothing more than to have any school bully beaten half to death. Teachers and parents of the victim should be allowed to beat the living sh*t out of the kid doing the bullying. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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Bah, kid has to learn how to stand up for himself. I'd be happy to teach them/send them to fight classes and whatnot, but when it comes down to it, the kid has to learn how not to be afraid and stand up and learn that it's better to fight and lose than not to give in.
Obviously this is for teenagers. Young kids you just call up the parents and odds are its a passing phase not worth encouraging violence over. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:08 am Post subject: |
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Seems like it was media sensationalism. If anything, it seems kids are a lot less meaner now.
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| Bah, kid has to learn how to stand up for himself. I'd be happy to teach them/send them to fight classes and whatnot, but when it comes down to it, the kid has to learn how not to be afraid and stand up and learn that it's better to fight and lose than not to give in. |
Everytime I hear someone boohooing about bullying I always say teach them how to stand up for themselves. Bullies prey on those they perceive as weaker and choose the safest victims. Get those kids to a boxing gym and have them spar as soon as possible. That'll end bullying pretty quick. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:23 am Post subject: |
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Best way if the kid fights back and actually ends up winning.
Getting parents or teachers involved usually makes it worse for the bullied kid. However, they should get involved, but they should be aware that their is a good chance it will just make the bullying worse and more secretive. |
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fosterman
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:26 am Post subject: |
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| fermentation wrote: |
Seems like it was media sensationalism. If anything, it seems kids are a lot less meaner now.
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| Bah, kid has to learn how to stand up for himself. I'd be happy to teach them/send them to fight classes and whatnot, but when it comes down to it, the kid has to learn how not to be afraid and stand up and learn that it's better to fight and lose than not to give in. |
Everytime I hear someone boohooing about bullying I always say teach them how to stand up for themselves. Bullies prey on those they perceive as weaker and choose the safest victims. Get those kids to a boxing gym and have them spar as soon as possible. That'll end bullying pretty quick. |
yes, this is true, but some kids are just not into sports, or psychical sports, or the bullies work in groups, which is usually the case, waiting for you after school, 3 boys roll you and tell you "if you tell anyone I will kill you"
sure boxing is great, and this is what I my son will be doing when he gets a little older, but when confronted by a group of boys, or you are out numbered, you must also know, when to hand over your money, but if you think you can win. then go for it.
good thing about Korea is, I don't worry some punk is going to pull a gun on my kid.
schools always protect the bully here, in my country, one strike rule. mess up once, and you are out. Korea it takes a long time to get kicked out.
bullies go around beating kids up, and then do the fake bow, and "I'm sorry" and then tomorrow is back to bullying again, and just being warned over and over again, until someone is hurt again, and then it's fake bow, hand shake, "I'm sorry, I wont do it again" friends!
and then....................................
you get the idea..
of course the bullies mother apologizes and brings gifts to the victims parents helps the bully again. meanwhile little johnny has the black eye, and broken pride. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:34 am Post subject: |
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Yes, learning a martial art won't help you as a kid when confronted by a bunch of bullies. I guess the best way in that case is if you can lick the bullies' leader or something.
Better yet, get the bullying on video, put it on YouTube, and let nature take its course. |
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freshking
Joined: 07 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:37 am Post subject: |
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| I go to a jiu jitsu/mma gym in Daegu, and the number of middle and high school kids has jumped significantly in the past 6 months, especially after the high profile suicides. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:40 am Post subject: |
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| I go to a jiu jitsu/mma gym in Daegu, and the number of middle and high school kids has jumped significantly in the past 6 months, especially after the high profile suicides. |
Just curious, have you asked any kids why they are taking martial arts? The fact that they're taking MMA instead of the useless taekwondo is a big plus. |
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fosterman
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freshking
Joined: 07 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:10 am Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
| freshking wrote: |
| I go to a jiu jitsu/mma gym in Daegu, and the number of middle and high school kids has jumped significantly in the past 6 months, especially after the high profile suicides. |
Just curious, have you asked any kids why they are taking martial arts? The fact that they're taking MMA instead of the useless taekwondo is a big plus. |
They seem to fall into two groups. Some of them are there because their parents signed them up and want them to get some exercise and learn to defend themselves. A lot of them love the UFC and/or jiu jitsu and want to compete though. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:12 am Post subject: |
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| fosterman wrote: |
yes, this is true, but some kids are just not into sports, or psychical sports, or the bullies work in groups, which is usually the case, waiting for you after school, 3 boys roll you and tell you "if you tell anyone I will kill you"
sure boxing is great, and this is what I my son will be doing when he gets a little older, but when confronted by a group of boys, or you are out numbered, you must also know, when to hand over your money, but if you think you can win. then go for it.
good thing about Korea is, I don't worry some punk is going to pull a gun on my kid.
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It's more about having the balls to stand up for yourself than knowing fighting technique though. Even if you lose, most bullies I've seen stop messing with a kid who'll make it a fight. Sometimes the threat of having to actually fight will be enough to deter a bully since they try to pick the easiest targets possible. Even seen it with grown adults who outnumber their opponents.
Besides, if it's an option between doing nothing and getting beat up, and fighting back and getting beat up, the latter should always be the choice. Just being a victim and hoping it'll go away isn't going to help.
Not to worry you, but knives could be an issue. When I was going to middle school in Daejun, some kids brought knives "just in case." One of my classmates once pulled it out and threatened to stab a girl. Even had one crazy incident where a inter-school war erupted and some of the "badass" kids started packing knives. Fortunately, nobody got stabbed. Good times . I think kids aren't as violent today though.
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| freshking wrote: |
| I go to a jiu jitsu/mma gym in Daegu, and the number of middle and high school kids has jumped significantly in the past 6 months, especially after the high profile suicides. |
Just curious, have you asked any kids why they are taking martial arts? The fact that they're taking MMA instead of the useless taekwondo is a big plus. |
There's a middle school girl at my gym who straightup told the coach she's there because a gang of other girls tried to beat her up. |
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IncognitoHFX2
Joined: 15 Mar 2012
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:36 am Post subject: |
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| motiontodismiss wrote: |
| fosterman wrote: |
and my kids know they don't have to fear bullys. cause if they get robbed or beaten up.
I will bring it! |
Seriously. I strongly oppose corporal punishment but I'd love nothing more than to have any school bully beaten half to death. Teachers and parents of the victim should be allowed to beat the living sh*t out of the kid doing the bullying. |
This, especially if the kid is in High School. They're physically an adult and old enough to know better. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 3:04 am Post subject: |
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| motiontodismiss wrote: |
| fosterman wrote: |
and my kids know they don't have to fear bullys. cause if they get robbed or beaten up.
I will bring it! |
Seriously. I strongly oppose corporal punishment but I'd love nothing more than to have any school bully beaten half to death. Teachers and parents of the victim should be allowed to beat the living sh*t out of the kid doing the bullying. |
So basically you are for it, just as long as you can choose the reason why it should be doled out.
I'm in agreement with you though. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 3:20 am Post subject: |
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To address the OP, I know a lot of public school teachers, and in my experience, bullying hasn't even been mentioned once.
I'm more inclined to think 'bullying' is just the latest buzzword that someone latched onto at the Office of Education. The latest rumor is they are dedicating one of the buildings at one of their training centers to be an 'anti-bullying' center or something like that.
(Incidentally, the same nice building that used to house many native speaker teachers - they were kicked out and administration lied about the reasons for making them move)
Seems like particularly in Korea, all it takes is something to reach buzzword status and suddenly it's the new hot topic to be addressed, regardless of whether it 'needs' to be addressed or not. There was suddenly a "free lunches for all" despite only a few really needing it. So it's likely not so much about necessity but more about clueless bureaucracy and politics.
I'm not saying bullying doesn't exist in schools; of course it does. I'm just saying I've not heard of it getting suddenly worse. Also a few Korean friends said exactly what you said; that it used to be much worse when they were in school. |
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