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thomas pars



Joined: 29 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I saw the 225K Won shoes. Crazy. I found out that a Sport Chain called INTERSPORT carries them. They have the strangest locations though. One in Seoul, almost towards the end of Bundang. And then places like, Daegu, Jeonju, Chongju.

Usually, I try something on in the store and then buy it on the internet and have my folks ship it over. The thing is that not all the stores have all the models. And of course they never have the sizes you need. Do Koreans have feet smaller than my little sister?

I'm not going to pay 200+ for a pair of 70 dollar shoes. So untill these things become more popular and available to try on in the stores, I guess I'll have to wait till I can pick up a pair in the States.
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Hyeon In



Joined: 16 Feb 2012

PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If one's really into the minimalist style then there are more options:

(1) No shoes. Like.. no shoes.. at all..

(2) Huaraches. You can make your own. Or try the ones at theinvisibleshoe.com . I've not tried them. They're probably cool.

(3) Softstar running moccasins. This is what I intend to buy one day soon, when I decide to start running again. Right now I swim instead. But when I run again, it's gonna be these bad boys.

(4) Vibram.. fivefingers.. not tried 'em.. and I'm scared of looking weird. I'm weird. I don't need to look further weird. So I didn't try 'em yet. Or ever.

(5) Nike I'm-Cashing-In / Free . The barefoot shoe for the man who can afford to not be barefoot. Or wants to pretend like he's running barefoot, while not doing so. Because that's for peasants. Or sponsored runners.
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tried running with minimalist shoes and did not like it. Been a runner for years and I prefer my Brooks to those minimalist shoes.

A guy on our street uses minimalist shoes this winter (we live in Canada) he had some issues with them. Still, he swears by those shoes. Different people, different preferences I suppose!
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CanadaSteve



Joined: 08 Feb 2012

PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just bought a pair of the Adidas AdiPure Trainers. Reviews on birthdayshoes.com and other sites were solid. They are comfortable, but thick-feeling on the sole (not too bad but I don't know how think you want it... these are, I think 10mm). They feel very solid. Flexibility is pretty good.

I don't use these for running, and haven't run outside with them. I use them for the gym, specifically for squats, deadlifts and standing shoulder presses. In these movements, I definitely notice an advantage over other shoes, even the flat-soled shoes out there,

For running I still use a dedicated running shoe, but I'll test out the finger shoes when the weather stabilizes.

Oh, at 109k these won't break the bank
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Patrick Bateman



Joined: 21 Apr 2009
Location: Lost in Translation

PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hyeon In wrote:
If one's really into the minimalist style then there are more options:

(1) No shoes. Like.. no shoes.. at all..

(2) Huaraches. You can make your own. Or try the ones at theinvisibleshoe.com . I've not tried them. They're probably cool.

(3) Softstar running moccasins. This is what I intend to buy one day soon, when I decide to start running again. Right now I swim instead. But when I run again, it's gonna be these bad boys.

(4) Vibram.. fivefingers.. not tried 'em.. and I'm scared of looking weird. I'm weird. I don't need to look further weird. So I didn't try 'em yet. Or ever.

(5) Nike I'm-Cashing-In / Free . The barefoot shoe for the man who can afford to not be barefoot. Or wants to pretend like he's running barefoot, while not doing so. Because that's for peasants. Or sponsored runners.



This isn�t a shoe nor running forum, but to be clear, there�s a lot more going on than just this. There are a number of different categories of shoes, each purporting to do different things and targeting different people.

Your #1 isn�t a shoe, it�s just barefoot.

#2, 3, 4 would be considered a barefoot ride shoe. Their only purpose is to try and put as little between the runner�s foot and the ground, while marketing an image thanks in large part to Born to Run. There are also more brands and options than the ones you mentioned.

#5 is the only truly �minimalist� shoe you mentioned. A minimalist shoe offers no motion control, a low (usually 7mm is the max) heel to toe drop, lightweight, reinforced mid, flexible sole, and the bare minimum of frills/low stack height. Minimalist shoes are meant to promote a better strike (mid/fore), improve gait, strengthen the foot, promote splaying the toes, and work the calves more. There are also a lot of different brands other than Nike. I find it funny that you mock minimalist shoes.

You forgot to mention two other kinds of shoes germane to this conversation: elemental shoes and racing flats.

Elemental shoes are very similar to minimalist shoes, except they offer more frills/protection. While that sounds like it�d be too similar to a traditional running shoe, the fact that it is still has more flex, lower drop, and reinforced mid, means that people can still get most of the benefits of minimalist shoes (though I�m not sure if they are supposed to strengthen the foot), without sacrificing impact protection (higher stack height than minimalist shoes). The two most popular examples of these shoes are the Saucony Kinvara and Brooks Pure�s.

Racing flats/0 drop shoes are closest to �barefoot feel� shoes. The only difference is their aim/marketing. Though, racing flats are currently more diverse in their variety.

PatrickGHBusan wrote:

Tried running with minimalist shoes and did not like it. Been a runner for years and I prefer my Brooks to those minimalist shoes.

A guy on our street uses minimalist shoes this winter (we live in Canada) he had some issues with them. Still, he swears by those shoes. Different people, different preferences I suppose!


Patrick, why didn't you like minimalist shoes and which did you try?
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Patrick, why didn't you like minimalist shoes and which did you try?


I tried a pair for a 2 month period. I run 4 times a week: 8k, 8k, 8k, 10-12k. I read up on these shoes and was curious. I was aware that initially a runner may experience some soreness and pain as his body adapts to those shoes.

That did happen but what also happened is that I felt my running gait was all screwed up. This showed to be true 3 weeks in when I had a knee issue (never had any before). I talked to a marathoner I know and told him about my issues and he advised some changes in my running stance. Did that and the knee issue went away.

After 2 months, I had not hit any sort of confort zone where I could "just run", oddly these shoes still felt odd, unconfortable and wrong. Maybe I am just not wired to run with those shoes.

Switched back to my Brooks shoes and things went back to normal. Since I run a fair bit each week, a shoes that I forget is there is kind of paramount for me so no minimalist shoes for me! Like I said however, the guy down the street runs in them and absolutely loves them. His intent is to go full bare feet this summer. To each his own. My intent is to get ready for a marathon in June and that will not happen on minimalist shoes...for me anyway!
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Patrick Bateman



Joined: 21 Apr 2009
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatrickGHBusan wrote:
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Patrick, why didn't you like minimalist shoes and which did you try?


I tried a pair for a 2 month period. I run 4 times a week: 8k, 8k, 8k, 10-12k. I read up on these shoes and was curious. I was aware that initially a runner may experience some soreness and pain as his body adapts to those shoes.

That did happen but what also happened is that I felt my running gait was all screwed up. This showed to be true 3 weeks in when I had a knee issue (never had any before). I talked to a marathoner I know and told him about my issues and he advised some changes in my running stance. Did that and the knee issue went away.

After 2 months, I had not hit any sort of confort zone where I could "just run", oddly these shoes still felt odd, unconfortable and wrong. Maybe I am just not wired to run with those shoes.

Switched back to my Brooks shoes and things went back to normal. Since I run a fair bit each week, a shoes that I forget is there is kind of paramount for me so no minimalist shoes for me! Like I said however, the guy down the street runs in them and absolutely loves them. His intent is to go full bare feet this summer. To each his own. My intent is to get ready for a marathon in June and that will not happen on minimalist shoes...for me anyway!


With running, I'm a supporter of the philosophy, if it ain't broke don't fix it. I believe that minimalist shoes can be beneficial, but I'm not convinced heel striking is the evil its made out to be.

It's good though, that you at least tried something new. If you get injured (hopefully you don't) or want to try again, Brooks' Pure Collection are excellent, a nice balance between traditional and minimalist shoe.

I ran in minimalist shoes for about a year (training and completing 2 marathons in the process) before making the jump to 0 drop shoes. Even after all that running, and even after weeks of running in them, if I push too hard, the 0 drops remind me with some soreness.

Happy and healthy running to you, and good luck with the marathon. I didn't plan on running a full this year until I was drinking with all the teachers and one guy that also runs said we need to run Chuncheon together.
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I try to run one marathon each year at least but with 2 kids, my job and the other projects that fill my life its not always possible. I also found I dislike racing! I far prefer running by myself with some light music. In fact this year I stopped timing my speed by Kilometer and instead just run for a set time or distance; whichever works best for me at that point.

I think for any runner the biggest thing is to find what works for YOU and not try to be like some other runner or to be what a running book tells you what you should be.

I knew a guy in Busan who ran in my area. We crossed paths a few times and exchanged info, chatted. That guy was a performance machine. He timed it all, had a nike pod in his shoe to clock his distance and time, bought all sorts of running gear and so on. It work for him, it would never work for me. I would be that guy you see running with very little running specific gear.

Happy running to you to!!
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12ax7



Joined: 07 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a craze, I think. I'm not convinced they are all that comfortable. I think the attraction is that they make people feel like they are Kenyan marathon runners without actually having to develop the calluses.
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cdninkorea



Joined: 27 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On a related note, I saw a foreign guy on line 6 of the subway on Sunday who was completely barefoot. I asked him about it, and he said he just doesn't like shoes. I expected everyone else on the train to be visibly weirded out by it, but surprisingly no one seemed to notice.
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dory



Joined: 27 May 2010

PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a fan of the shoes. Fila's skeletoes are also toe shoes and they also have that barefoot sole that's in the nike frees or adidas chill shoes. If they didn't only come in ugly color schemes, I might've bought a pair.
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The Cosmic Hum



Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space

PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ayahyaha wrote:
I ordered Vibrams online and using their sizing system, the fit was perfect. Of course it's better if you can actually try them on, but if you get someone to help you and follow the directions on the website exactly, you can get an accurate size.

Also, read up online about how the different styles fit. That was a big help for me.

And I know Vibrams look douchy. But when I'm hiking or running along the river they rock, and generally everyone around me manages to look much douchier without the help of Vibrams.


Where did you order them from?
What shoes did you order?
SooDude left a link where he ordered his...but the prices are outrageous compared to the original price of the shoes.

I realize this thread is a bit dated now, but hope there is still some interest other than my own.
Specifically would like to here from those who have tried the fivefinger shoes.
Vibram five fingers
KOMODOSPORT LS
http://www.vibramfivefingers.com/products/Five-Fingers-Komodo-Sport-LS-Mens.htm
Trek Ls
http://www.vibramfivefingers.com/products/Five-Fingers-Trek-LS-Mens.htm
Bikila Ls
http://www.vibramfivefingers.com/products/Five-Fingers-BikilaLS-Mens.htm
Anyone tried these?

Or how about the socks.
Injinji
PERFORMANCE SERIES
MIDWEIGHT / MINI-CREW � charcoal black
http://www.injinjistore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=IS&Product_Code=TPMIDWEIGHT&Category_Code=TSOKS

I realize this is being rather specific, but any feedback on the fivefinger shoes and socks would be appreciated.Wink
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cosmic, just curious here but why do you want to use such shoes to run?

Do you find "regular" running shoes to be unconfortable?

There is quite the debate in the running world on shoes right now....it is a micro and irrelevant debate in the grander scheme of things of course but some runners treat it like a religion!

Anyway, having tried those minimalist shoes and a few months (as I said earlier) and not having liked the experience I am curious to find out about why some people swear by these shoes.

Good luck anyway!
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The Cosmic Hum



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatrickGHBusan wrote:
Cosmic, just curious here but why do you want to use such shoes to run?

Do you find "regular" running shoes to be unconfortable?

There is quite the debate in the running world on shoes right now....it is a micro and irrelevant debate in the grander scheme of things of course but some runners treat it like a religion!

Anyway, having tried those minimalist shoes and a few months (as I said earlier) and not having liked the experience I am curious to find out about why some people swear by these shoes.

Good luck anyway!


Hey Pat,
Actually, I just like the idea.
Being able to move the foot a bit more naturally, toes and all, appeals to me on some fundamental level.
I loved running barefoot as a kid...no better feeling.

But I also think as minimalist shoes...they should have minimalist prices...lol
I want to give the fivefingers a try...but not at double the regular price.

I am quite comfortable in my Asics Gel Kayano shoes.
Just thought I would give these a try.

I am big into footwear...and enjoy the developments being made....but not the developed prices. Wink
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Gorf



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just don't wear them on the subway and around Seoul like one foreigner I knew... he looked like a huge dingus and made me embarrassed to be seen with him the way all the Koreans laughed at him.
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