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YTMND
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| So you support breaking the law in a foreign country? |
As opposed to breaking the law in your home country? I am not getting your point. |
How is carrying your passport breaking the law in your home country? |
You said foreign country, how does that translate into breaking the law in the home country? Or did you mean foreigner's country? |
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luckylady
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| Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:45 am Post subject: Re: Employer asking for my passport? |
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Yesterday my manager came over and told me the school needs to take care of some new legal requirements from the MoE, so he'd need my ARC. Since the school's been treating me fairly for going on two years now, and given the ministry's batsh*t requirements as of late, I placidly handed over my ARC. Then, I was asked to bring in my passport as well. That's when alarm bells started going off for me.
Has anyone heard of these new procedures? I'm in Gyeonggi, if that makes any difference. Also, I don't mean to be paranoid but I'd much rather hold on to my passport and take care of any requirements by myself. |
expats are often much more aware of what is required of them than even their employers, believe it or not.
simply explain that it is illegal for you to not have one or the other (pp or arc) and ask if a copy of your pp is enough? or wouldn't it just be easier for you to take care of whatever is necessary?
I've had admin people breathe a sigh of relief when I offered to take care of these kinds of things myself - often a cab over and back and it can even be done during a lunch break - other times copies do suffice
communicate first, people, communicate - !! |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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| YTMND wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| So you support breaking the law in a foreign country? |
As opposed to breaking the law in your home country? I am not getting your point. |
How is carrying your passport breaking the law in your home country? |
You said foreign country, how does that translate into breaking the law in the home country? Or did you mean foreigner's country? |
Yes I said "foreign country". Then YOU started talking about "home country" so I replied to that as well.
Let's try this again.
A poster said that you are required by law to carry your ARC/passport.
You said that you don't support this and encourage people not to obey.
I asked then if you support breaking the law in a foreign country.
It's fairly simple. Yes or No? |
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YTMND
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| Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| You said that you don't support this and encourage people not to obey. |
Where did you get this from? I am not encouraging women to get pregnant so they can get an abortion, but I hold the right to support women who want an abortion after getting pregnant. That is NOT encouragement.
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I asked then if you support breaking the law in a foreign country.
It's fairly simple. Yes or No? |
If you are setting the hypothetical answer that I encourage people not to obey the law and then ask me, you already have the answer to your imaginary story.
It is also against the law to speed, but if you are way out in the countryside driving down non-livestock farming (where only carrots and cabbage are grown), are you going to drive the speed limit of 35 or 50?
I am not advocating this any more than I am robbing a bank, but it happens. I would rather see the authorities use tax dollars to catch the bank robbers than the speeder driving alongside farmland.
Considering the school is taking the teacher's passport to immigration as required by law, I would think this would be overlooked if the teacher were ever questioned. Is it possible an officer will enter the school while the teacher is teaching and before the teacher gets receipt from the immigration office? YES, but I don't see how serious of a crime this is.
Are you saying there is a plague of teachers giving their passports to schools and authorities arresting teachers while they teach? Seems rather counterproductive.
Considering you are throwing out ridiculous hypotheticals, maybe this is for your own amusement and you aren't really serious. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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Are you saying there is a plague of teachers giving their passports to schools and authorities arresting teachers while they teach? Seems rather counterproductive.
Considering you are throwing out ridiculous hypotheticals, maybe this is for your own amusement and you aren't really serious. |
I never said any such thing or threw out a single hypothetical in this thread
I asked you a simple "Yes" or "No" question. What ARE you going on about? |
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YTMND
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| Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| I never said any such thing or threw out a single hypothetical in this thread I asked you a simple "Yes" or "No" question. What ARE you going on about? |
Your hypothetical was predicated on a false presumption of guilt rather than innocence. The answer is YES in some cases, and the answer is NO is other cases.
I brought up abortion to help sway your common sense to see the pitfalls of putting things in black and white terms. There is a lot of gray area you aren't considering, which requires more use of the gray matter. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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| I never said any such thing or threw out a single hypothetical in this thread I asked you a simple "Yes" or "No" question. What ARE you going on about? |
Your hypothetical was predicated on a false presumption of guilt rather than innocence. The answer is YES in some cases, and the answer is NO is other cases.
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No it wasn't. By Korean law everyone is required to carry their ID with them be it ID card, ARC or passport. Now while this is rarely enforced if ever...it is still the law. Period.
If you are not carrying any ID on you then you are breaking the law...plain and simple. The fact that you may get away with it pretty much all the time does not change that. |
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YTMND
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| Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| By Korean law everyone is required to carry their ID with them be it ID card, ARC or passport. Now while this is rarely enforced if ever...it is still the law. Period. |
Ok, then it's a law which a lot of people don't abide by. That is what I was stating. I was not encouraging people to add to the existing numbers for the sake of anarchy or rebellion.
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| The fact that you may get away with it pretty much all the time does not change that. |
But it sure makes pointless debate on a forum. You really expect us to be that anal and literal? I think we are done here. Let this rule go down in the books as one of those stupid laws.
How would this have any merit on this thread is beyond me. I think the idea here is that some people want to defend not giving the passport to the school. If that is your stance, fine, use it. Then go to the immigration office on your own time and dime and do the paperwork. I really don't care. I am willing to take that chance personally, because after living in 3 Asian countries and faced with more severe visa and passport issues, the authorities have always shown some reasonable common sense and efficiency.
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YTMND
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| Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| If you are not carrying any ID on you then you are breaking the law |
Now, on the odd chance you really want to argue semantics and literal interpretations, you are WRONG. You (or your school) can go to immigration and give them your passport. They will give you something to use until you receive your passport back. You do not need to always carry your passport with you.
I even opened a bank account without it. Ha!!
So there, neener neener neener  |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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| If you are not carrying any ID on you then you are breaking the law |
Now, on the odd chance you really want to argue semantics and literal interpretations, you are WRONG. You (or your school) can go to immigration and give them your passport. They will give you something to use until you receive your passport back. You do not need to always carry your passport with you.
I even opened a bank account without it. Ha!!
So there, neener neener neener |
I never said "passport" I said ID. And if you don't need ID why would they IN YOUR OWN WORDS
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| "give you something to use until you receive your passport back"? |
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YTMND
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| Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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| I never said "passport" I said ID. And if you don't need ID why would they IN YOUR OWN WORDS |
What they give you isn't an ID. When I did an extension and got a multiple entry visa (before they issued one for all), they gave me some form (maybe just the application stamped, I don't remember exactly), and it had a date by which they expected the paperwork/process to be done. I paid extra to have the passport delivered to my school.
I didn't have any form of ID. I never said they needed one either. You are sure bringing up red herrings and not really addressing the topic of the thread. Is there a concrete point you want to make related to the topic without bringing up other irrelevant stuff? |
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