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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| I don't think there's anything alongway can say that'll slow down the rchristo avalanche. Wow! |
and what an avalanche it is. I don't think I've seen anyone over-react and blow a gasket this much since that "leave britney alone guy". Next thing you know we'll have rchristo crying on youtube in a hanbok about all the mean foreigners suggesting Korea record a couple announcements in English for an already significantly translated system.
Let's go back to the original post shall we, wylies asked if the announcement was in English, and I replied and pointed out that 3 announcements would go a long way towards completing a mostly translated system as it is. From that rchristo makes several false assumptions, and continues to no-less, then claims I'm trying to destroy the very fabric of Korea. Obviously this is some kind of personal white knight crusade for him. It would be much less hilarious if he could possibly hit the mark once or twice, but so far he's batting a solid 0.000.
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| Is it just me, or did you fail to answer the question? |
Let me just stop you here. If you think I failed to answer something you wrote it is because I either considered it irrelevant to the discussion or such patent nonsense that it wasn't worth addressing. This may save you some future confusion.
As to the rest of it, yes, actually people would in fact be made much more comfortable with an English announcement say there is a delay or service interruption. Why? Because they wouldn't be standing around the station going, "Hmm..is there a train coming? I have no idea." This includes tourists, business people, other short term visitors. I'm not sure how letting people know that a train is delayed/not coming is an attack on the very foundation of Korea, but well I'm sure that's something that only makes sense to you.
They've translated 95% of the day to day subway stuff into English. How is finishing off that last 5% bending over backwards? It would take them all of 20 minutes to record it and program it into the control panel of the system right beside the other English announcements.
Suggesting they add 3 announcements to you of course indicates that I'm "whining about everything and throwing fits and tantrums", that I "haven't been appeased", that I'm "finding fault unnecessarily", and that I'm "preaching". Do you realize how ridiculous you sound? I think you could actually make the "leave britney alone" guy seem like a well adjusted and normal individual at this point.
and yes, your assumptions continue to be off the mark. I'm not remotely a short term visitor.
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| Oh yeah, and how about signs that say if the toilet is on the outside or the inside. |
You think you're being hliarious and clever, but most of the new subway maps already indicate this on a per-line basis. |
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rchristo10
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:32 am Post subject: |
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And back to weak argumentation and personal attacks. Too bad, you've been lying to yourself so often that you don't even realize you whine...not for the tourist...but for yourself. Yes, you're far from short-term. They typically suffer from your ailment. Help the tourist when in fact they're just whining, complaining, and suggesting for themselves. It's called: projecting. Your replies would be proof of "the denial stage."
Btw: Where do you get these stats, or are you just talking from your usual orifice? Throwing meaningless numbers around feels empowering, right?
It would take a great deal more than 20 minutes. I've recorded for Everland, so I know. It's pretty difficult. In this case, they'd have to find the same chick to record. They'd have to work through her schedule. They'd have to pay her. She'd have to set up several other things to set it up. But since I don't usually like peeing out. They'd have to synchronize the timing it and consider God knows what else.
It's easy to pee in a toilet and think of it as a bowl, when if fact it took a great deal longer to make and probably has a history all of its own. But I guess since you're so well...easy to appease, why not just throw in more blah blah blah for the natives to listen to on *their* public transportation. To make YOU comfortable.
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:43 am Post subject: |
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| And back to personal slants and attacks. Too bad, you've been lying to yourself so often that you don't even realize you whine...not for the tourist...but for yourself. Yes, you're far from short-term. They typically suffer from your ailment. Help the tourist when in fact they're just whining, complaining, and suggesting for themselves. It's called: the denial stage. |
I think you'll find that you lead with them. Between the personal attacks, ridiculously poor assumptions and just general overreaction you certainly inserted yourself well into this discussion. |
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rchristo10
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:48 am Post subject: |
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| alongway wrote: |
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| And back to personal slants and attacks. Too bad, you've been lying to yourself so often that you don't even realize you whine...not for the tourist...but for yourself. Yes, you're far from short-term. They typically suffer from your ailment. Help the tourist when in fact they're just whining, complaining, and suggesting for themselves. It's called: the denial stage. |
I think you'll find that you lead with them. Between the personal attacks, ridiculously poor assumptions and just general overreaction you certainly inserted yourself well into this discussion. |
Reread what I wrote. From the beginning to here. Just because you're a whiner, I wouldn't call that an attack. It's just perhaps stating the obvious. But, since you're done with your "argumentation" (kekekeke...hmmm...yeah that's what we used to call it in 3rd grade, no offense...we really did used to call it that) you can PM me or else, address what I wrote and the concerns I voiced--neither of which you've done.
Btw: I love how you only extract and comment on the little bits of meaningless that you find personally interesting without the context of which those bits were written. |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:55 am Post subject: |
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Reread what I wrote. From the beginning to here. Just because you're a whiner, I wouldn't call that an attack. It's just perhaps stating the obvious. But, since you're done with your "argumentation" (kekekeke...hmmm...yeah that's what we used to call it in 3rd grade, no offense...we really did used to call it that) you can PM me or else, address what I wrote and the concerns I voiced--neither of which you've done. |
I read what you wrote. I made a suggestion and you immediately laid into me making all kinds of baseless assumptions claiming I needed to "get over it" and suggested I was the devil come to claim Korea. Despite your mind-blowingly over-shooting this you were quite clear.
Speaking of just throwing stats out there,
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| we shouldn't inconvenience that 1 or so percent who can't, or don't want to, learn Korean living here. |
I'm sure you can provide a source for that right?
It's okay, we'll wait.
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| Btw: I love how you only extract and comment on the little bits of meaningless that you find personally interesting without the context of which those bits were written. |
once again since you seemed to miss it:
little of what you say is relevant or worth replying to. |
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rchristo10
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:23 am Post subject: |
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| alongway wrote: |
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Reread what I wrote. From the beginning to here. Just because you're a whiner, I wouldn't call that an attack. It's just perhaps stating the obvious. But, since you're done with your "argumentation" (kekekeke...hmmm...yeah that's what we used to call it in 3rd grade, no offense...we really did used to call it that) you can PM me or else, address what I wrote and the concerns I voiced--neither of which you've done. |
I read what you wrote. I made a suggestion and you immediately laid into me making all kinds of baseless assumptions claiming I needed to "get over it" and suggested I was the devil come to claim Korea. Despite your mind-blowingly over-shooting this you were quite clear.
Speaking of just throwing stats out there,
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| we shouldn't inconvenience that 1 or so percent who can't, or don't want to, learn Korean living here. |
I'm sure you can provide a source for that right?
It's okay, we'll wait.
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| Btw: I love how you only extract and comment on the little bits of meaningless that you find personally interesting without the context of which those bits were written. |
once again since you seemed to miss it:
little of what you say is relevant or worth replying to. |
I got my data from kosis.or.kr, but you can also find the 1% at kosdad or at 통계청. You should sign up. They have a great deal of data there. |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:19 am Post subject: |
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I got my data from kosis.or.kr, but you can also find the 1% at kosdad or at 통계청. You should sign up. They have a great deal of data there. |
Maybe you misunderstood me or I stuttered. Show us the actual study that claims 99% of foreigners living in Korea learn Korean to a socially fluent level. Keeping in mind that the majority of "foreigners" in Korea are ethnic koreans from China or or other ethnic Koreans from abroad. There were 1.41 million foreigners in Korea as of the last big announcement.
Which means you're claiming less than 14,100 people in Korea don't speak Korean.
E2s have almost that much turnover every single year, so we already know that doesn't add up. |
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3DR
Joined: 24 May 2009
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:21 am Post subject: Re: Line 2 was down this morning |
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Didn't say I didn't know them. Do you expect every tourist coming through the country to learn those on the way over, of all the things they could be learning?
The English in the subways isn't really put there for the people living here long term. |
No I don't expect every tourist to learn Korean. I also don't think the subway was intended to care so much about tourists who happened to be on it.
The day that NY city announces the stops in Hebrew, Arabic, and Chinese is the day that perhaps your logic will flower meaning. Until then. Get over yourself and learn the language. Countries aren't made for tourists, so why expect them to consider such things as their convenience when dealing with the urban planning and transportation-related services. |
Once again, where did I say I didn't know the language?
I don't think it's me who needs to get over himself.
I simply pointed out that given the lengths they've already gone to to make the system accessible in English (And other languages, major transfers are announced in Japanese and Chinese, as well the automatic ticketing machines all have several language choices), those few announcements would go a long way to completing the goal of having the system fully accessible in English.
As for the subway system in NY, not really sure what that has to do with anything here. |
If a tourist is momentarily inconvenienced then I say: get over it. They're abroad and likely will be inconvenieced by the oddity of newness to begin with (believe it or not, that's usually what they go abroad for to begin with and end up calling it cultural difference). I doubt that an annoucement over the subway will make all their inconveniences go away. So stop trying to blame your ignorance on tourists. Suck it up, pull out a book, and study. |
You lost. Suck it up, get off Dave's, pull out a book, and study. |
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hogwonguy1979
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: the racoon den
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:12 am Post subject: |
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countdown to thread being locked in 5 4 3 2 1
and we still have no clue what happened, normally such a delay would have been mentioned in the KT or KH but nothing there
now you two go find a sandbox to throw turds at each other |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| hogwonguy1979 wrote: |
countdown to thread being locked in 5 4 3 2 1
and we still have no clue what happened, normally such a delay would have been mentioned in the KT or KH but nothing there
now you two go find a sandbox to throw turds at each other |
I mentioned it in my first post.
Naver news was reporting high winds near hanyang university causing issues as well as electricity problems around jamsil causing issues.
They got hit with two problems. Those on the far side of line 2 would likely not have been impacted, but anyone around the konkuk or ganbyeong area would have been hit from both directions as no trains were running at all. The buses were swamped. |
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