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fosterman



Joined: 16 Nov 2011

PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TL wrote:
Is the 'Rainy Day killer' you are referring to the same killer in the film 'Memories of Murder'?


was the killer found in that movie?
if not, then maybe.. or this guy is a copy cat killer.
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Dave Chance



Joined: 30 May 2011

PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A member of the victim's family said in a telephone interview with the Chosun Ilbo, "When we met with police, they tried to haggle, telling us to stop demanding they publish the recording of the victim�s call and let the matter drop."
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2012/04/13/2012041301337.html
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johnnyrook



Joined: 08 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reading this thread reminds me of an incident that happened to me towards the end of last year, in Suwon funnily enough.

It was my last week working in my job so I was staying up late organising all the junk I'd accumulated over two years in the country. I had a pile of clothes I didn't wanna keep anymore so I decided to throw them in one of those charity bins.

It was 1:30am on a weeknight, the streets were dead quiet, but as I approached the charity bin, a black van was driving down the street towards me. The bin was hidden behind a few cars that I had to slide between to reach it, and as I was emptying my clothes in the van came to a stop behind me.

Now, I was wearing loose trackpants and a hoodie, with the hood over my head, and with my back turned and the parked cars slightly obscuring me I guess my identity could have been rather ambiguous to anyone viewing me from the van. After about ten seconds, feeling a bit uneasy about why this van had stopped right there, I turned around with my hood down, in full view. I noticed the car's windows were tinted so it was impossible to see inside. After a few moments of me showing myself in my full 남외국인 glory the van drove away.

Well, there might be another perfectly logical reason for the driver behaving like that, but I was pretty creeped out anyway, and was glad that I'd gone down with the clothes and left my girlfriend to continue the cleaning upstairs.
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Seoulman69



Joined: 14 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think people forget that Korea's like... one of the least rape/murder ridden countries in the world. So when stuff like this happens they aren't prepared for it.


You're either a troll or incredibly uninformed. South Korea's intentional murder rate is at 2.9 per 100,000 whereas my home country is 1.17. Korea's murder rate is more than double.
Here's the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate


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Guys, seriously it's a tragedy, but if you're getting angry about it, probably shouldn't be. Don't have such high expectations about everything.


Is expecting the police to respond to an extreme emergency call in a reasonable amount of time high expectations? I don't think so.
I think the fact you are trolling such a tragic thread is pathetic. If you are not trolling then you are very stupid.
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Times30



Joined: 27 Mar 2010

PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seoulman69 wrote:
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I think people forget that Korea's like... one of the least rape/murder ridden countries in the world. So when stuff like this happens they aren't prepared for it.


You're either a troll or incredibly uninformed. South Korea's intentional murder rate is at 2.9 per 100,000 whereas my home country is 1.17. Korea's murder rate is more than double.
Here's the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate


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Guys, seriously it's a tragedy, but if you're getting angry about it, probably shouldn't be. Don't have such high expectations about everything.


Is expecting the police to respond to an extreme emergency call in a reasonable amount of time high expectations? I don't think so.
I think the fact you are trolling such a tragic thread is pathetic. If you are not trolling then you are very stupid.



Just because your home country has less crime doesn't mean that South Korea isn't one of the least crime ridden places. It can still be double of your home country, and still be one of the least crime ridden places. You could have lived on an Island of two people but we're talking about the perspective of all countries. Not a narrow perspective. You are doing a personal comparison, one by which not everyone can relate to. If I'm going to do a personal comparison I come from an Index of 5 crime rate. So already SK compared to home country is already way safer.

Not to mention what actually constitutes as murder is different from country to country.


But that's a moot point, and I wrote from the perspective of coming from a dangerous home country.


As for people not getting angry, well people really shouldn't. Theres absolutely nothing you can do about it. Especially us being foreigners. You can complain about it all you want, go to police and demand they work harder. If not, all you guys are doing is just whining more on daves complaining about more stuff nobody will ever do anything about. Dave's is plagued by people complaining, and who never take action. They read these articles, get upset and cause themselves to be miserable and it's their own inflicted disease. No need to upset yourself over something that has nothing to do with you. And yes... it has nothing to do with you. Sure it MIGHT happen someday... or it might NEVER happen to you. It's tragic what happened to this woman, but tragedies happen everyday. Get over it. People die everyday in horrible ways. Why aren't you making a 1000 posts a day about them?

It's unreasonable to think that anyone, anywhere is going to do something about anything. I'm sorry snowflakes. I guess we have different standards boys about the police. Where I'm from, a police call doesn't do anything, if you're in trouble.... YOU are in trouble, not your family, not your friends, nobody is going to help you. I guess I've grown up with the standard the police aren't a crutch to live by. And frankly, I guess some of you have.
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fermentation



Joined: 22 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Times30 wrote:
I guess I've grown up with the standard the police aren't a crutch to live by. And frankly, I guess some of you have.


I don't agree with your general logic but I agree with this. If you didn't know already, this incident should serve to remind people to not trust the police and try to be vigilant.
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jfromtheway



Joined: 20 Nov 2010

PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As for people not getting angry, well people really shouldn't. Theres absolutely nothing you can do about it. Especially us being foreigners. You can complain about it all you want, go to police and demand they work harder. If not, all you guys are doing is just whining more on daves complaining about more stuff nobody will ever do anything about.


Not the most progressive civic opinion I've ever heard. Mental stalemate? Really, to not demand more of any society and its crap institutional fronts is itself an injustice. And for any society to expect and accept nothing but continued incompetence and biased procedural failure is, frankly, idiotic.

I asked my girlfriend about the police situation here last night and she rung off like five stories that were frighteningly hilarious. Both of the streets I've lived on in Seoul were/are, apparently, popular places for the popo to park and get a nap in during the middle of the day. Hmm. Doesn't it make you feel so safe, knowing that there's nothing for the police to do? At least in the west they'll pull you over for driving wrongly when there's nothing to do. Korean police are too lazy to even do that.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone who claims S. Korea is somehow a crime-free paradise is living in la-la land. Statistics are statistics.

At the same time, for anyone who grew up in some place back home that wasn't a sleepy suburb or rural area, to suggest that somehow its more dangerous here seems just a little silly as well.

The absence of things like occasional gunshots, worries about getting robbed at work, friends and acquaintances getting murdered, and neighborhoods to avoid at night, and overt gang activity that preys on random pedestrians makes the place appear much more secure. I mean the liquor stores here don't have bullet proof glass, there's no metal detectors in the schools, and I don't have to lock my car and take off my stereo face if I go into a 7-eleven at 1 in the morning.

On the other hand, back home I never thought "well I may die tonight" while riding in a taxi...
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GEOM



Joined: 04 Dec 2005

PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Korean police is still getting burned.

I was worried that this matter regarding police incompetence was going to drop away after a week or so, instead the story is worse and worse by the day.

The Korean Police Agency really dug their own graves in this incident.

According to the following report the Emergency call center hung up the phone first.

http://www.asiatoday.co.kr/news/view.asp?seq=621789

"A씨의 전화는 112신고센터와 연결된 상태에서 6분여간 계속 켜져있었다. "잘못했어요, 아저씨 잘못했어요" 등과 같은 긴박한 통화 내용에 이어, 테이프 찢는 소리와 비명소리 등의 소리를 상황실 내 20여명의 직원이 함께 들었지만 '부부싸움'을 하는 것으로 보고 초동대처를 제대로 하지 않았다."

"Ms. A's call was connected with the 112 Emergency call center for around 6 minutes. Despite the urgency in the women's pleas to her captor (addressing him as Ajosshi), the screams, and the tearing sound of Adhesive tape being used, the 20 or so employees who were listening in reported it as 'domestic violence'/'domestic issue' and fumbled the initial procedures."
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's not really a new revelation... but yeah, it's disheartening to say the least.
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I-am-me



Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Hermit Kingdom

PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You gotta love how Koreans and Chinese seem to ignore cries of pain. This reminds me of when that girl in China was run over repeatedly and everyone just walked by. What were the korean neighbors doing while this lady was screaming her head off? Nothing!!! That is scarier than the crime itself. You can count on no help if that happens to you.
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dereklee003



Joined: 03 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
Anyone who claims S. Korea is somehow a crime-free paradise is living in la-la land. Statistics are statistics.


87% of statistics are made up on the spot. Laughing
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I-am-me wrote:
You gotta love how Koreans and Chinese seem to ignore cries of pain. This reminds me of when that girl in China was run over repeatedly and everyone just walked by. What were the korean neighbors doing while this lady was screaming her head off? Nothing!!! That is scarier than the crime itself. You can count on no help if that happens to you.


I read a book about illegal Chinese workers in the U.K. and the horrendous conditions and abuse they can face there. One of the victims said something profound: "Why do Chinese put up with abuse and oppression? Why don't they stand up for their rights as humans and band together to do something about it."

Asians seem to have serious problems with this, it seems.
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Dave Chance



Joined: 30 May 2011

PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yaya wrote:
I-am-me wrote:
You gotta love how Koreans and Chinese seem to ignore cries of pain. This reminds me of when that girl in China was run over repeatedly and everyone just walked by. What were the korean neighbors doing while this lady was screaming her head off? Nothing!!! That is scarier than the crime itself. You can count on no help if that happens to you.


I read a book about illegal Chinese workers in the U.K. and the horrendous conditions and abuse they can face there. One of the victims said something profound: "Why do Chinese put up with abuse and oppression? Why don't they stand up for their rights as humans and band together to do something about it."

Asians seem to have serious problems with this, it seems.


Yeah, clashes with the filiel piety/respect for authority aspect (of which the higher-ups are keenly aware of Idea )
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Mariner



Joined: 24 Apr 2009

PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Son Deureo! wrote:
Yaya wrote:
I wonder if the suspect is a Korean Chinese.


He was indeed.


He has a wife and kids in China, he came here in 2007.

I don't think you can call him Korean Chinese. How about just, Chinese.
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