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Travelling home during one year placement

 
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Kratos567



Joined: 13 Apr 2012

PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:05 am    Post subject: Travelling home during one year placement Reply with quote

Hello everyone, quick question I wonder if any of you can advise me on.

Basically I'm 23 years old, about to finish a masters degree in international relations and I have for several reasons 'missed the boat' on getting a graduate job I really want this september. Therefore, I'm thinking I'd be much better off applying to all the schemes etc that are now closed when they open again later this year to start in 2013. My problem is this - whilst I can think of no better way to spend that year until I start work here in London teaching abroad (especially looking at S Korea now), my major concern is how I would possibly be available for interviews etc back in the UK whilst I was abroad. I know you don't get many holidays, and I couldn't do it over weekends, and of course there's the added issue of the cost of flights back and forth when I'm trying to save money. Do you have any idea what I should do or what I can do, or have any of you had this problem when in S Korea because I would love to go teach there for a year but I'm unfortunately not at liberty to be unavailable for interviews to secure a job for when I get back. Any advice/help much appreciated !

Many thanks
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tardisrider



Joined: 13 Mar 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're right that you won't have many, if any, opportunities to go home for interviews.

Some people start sending out letters of interest and/or applications for jobs a month or two before leaving Korea--doing that may allow you to have some interviews scheduled for when you get home. About the only thing you could do from Korea would be phone/skype interviews. Plenty of jobs may interview you that way, but few would be willing to make an offer without an in-person interview. You could always quit your job if you wanted to go home for an interview, but quitting one job just for the possibility of another one would be a gamble, and you should work a reasonable notice (assuming you're not in an abusive hagwon hell type situation).
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Kratos567



Joined: 13 Apr 2012

PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your response.

Don't get me wrong, I know I wouldn't be able to jet off back to England every other week for interviews, I'm merely wondering if there would at least be some windows of opportunities for me to go back for a couple of individual weeks. I couldn't wait until my last few months to start applying for jobs because then all the start dates for the jobs I would apply for would be the following march/september 2014 and I'd be back in the same boat as I will be this september.

Could you/anyone tell me when the school/national holidays are and how long they are for? Perhaps I could organise any interviews for then. Also, I have heard from a few friends abroad in China and elsewhere that they were allowed to leave work for a few days to come back for an interview after seeking permission/giving notice - is that not a possibility at certain places??

Thanks again to anyone who responds !
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tardisrider



Joined: 13 Mar 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kratos567 wrote:
Thanks for your response.

I'm merely wondering if there would at least be some windows of opportunities for me to go back for a couple of individual weeks.


The best chance for holidays breaks giving you such an opportunity would be if you were working at a public school or university. It might be possible depending upon special arrangement with your employer, but this would be highly unusual if you're working at a hagwon. Most university positions have summer/winter breaks which are a month or longer, but as a newbie your chance of getting such a position is extremely low. As I understand it, public school teachers do get some holiday between semester breaks--maybe someone who knows more about those schools will write. Even if you were to have interviews scheduled during your break and you were offered a position, would an employer be likely to hold the position for you for the months required for you to go back to Korea and finish your contract? If you're working in a public school/university, it is extremely poor form to quit mid-semester (again, assuming you're not in a terrible situation that overrides such consideration).

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Could you/anyone tell me when the school/national holidays are and how long they are for?


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Also, I have heard from a few friends abroad in China and elsewhere that they were allowed to leave work for a few days to come back for an interview after seeking permission/giving notice - is that not a possibility at certain places??


That certainly is a possibility, but an unlikely one at most hagwons. You'd have to work it out with your employer on an individual basis. Not many employers would agree to having no teacher since that would mean no class and therefore no tuition money. Some employers might allow you to take a few days off if you find someone to cover your class--for example if a co-worker agrees to do so and her schedule allows it. The problem with that situation is that most small hagwons hire as few people as possible to do the job--why hire two people in the first place if one could cover the entire schedule? Logistically, your chances might be greater at a large branch of a chain hagwon--one that has many teachers--since you might be able to get several different people to cover for you. Remember for this to happen, you'd need not only friends/coworkers who are willing and able to cover for you but also a boss who is amenable to the idea. It's not completely unheard of--just not the sort of thing that you can count on this far in advance.

I understand and am sympathetic to your situation, but I'm trying to give realistic advice. Good luck. [/url]
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stay home or go to work in Spain.

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Kimchifart



Joined: 15 Sep 2010

PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Travelling home during one year placement Reply with quote

Kratos567 wrote:
Hello everyone, quick question I wonder if any of you can advise me on.

Basically I'm 23 years old, about to finish a masters degree in international relations and I have for several reasons 'missed the boat' on getting a graduate job I really want this september. Therefore, I'm thinking I'd be much better off applying to all the schemes etc that are now closed when they open again later this year to start in 2013. My problem is this - whilst I can think of no better way to spend that year until I start work here in London teaching abroad (especially looking at S Korea now), my major concern is how I would possibly be available for interviews etc back in the UK whilst I was abroad. I know you don't get many holidays, and I couldn't do it over weekends, and of course there's the added issue of the cost of flights back and forth when I'm trying to save money. Do you have any idea what I should do or what I can do, or have any of you had this problem when in S Korea because I would love to go teach there for a year but I'm unfortunately not at liberty to be unavailable for interviews to secure a job for when I get back. Any advice/help much appreciated !

Many thanks


Being honest mate, the job situation in bleak back home, you're going to be competing on ratios of 50-1, 100-1 , 200-1 or higher for decent grad jobs. If I were you I'd ride it out in Korea for a couple of years, save up, get rid of your student loan then go back at 25. It will look pretty good on your CV at that age; it certainly won't be negative, especially considering the rationale of the economy being so bad at home.
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Considering what you want and need, teaching in Korea would be a bad choice. You will not be able to go home much.

If however you wish to work as a teacher for a few years (say 1 to 3 years), gain experience and save while clearling debts then Korea is a decent option.
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Modernist



Joined: 23 Mar 2011
Location: The 90s

PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got to agree with the prior posters. Sounds to me like you want the $$ that Korea, in theory, offers, but aren't really prepared to do what is required to get that.

I teach at a PS. Basically, while it's true there is a summer break from about mid-July to Mid-August, and you are expected to have paid leave for a about a week and a half then, that's really it. Even Chuseok is on a Sunday this year. The other 'red days' in the fall are two Wednesdays, and you can be assured you will be expected to work on the Tuesday and Thursday around them.

Outside of a documented death in the family, or MAYBE a marriage, you can't just take a week or 2 off in the middle of a semester in a Korean PS. Just can't do it and expect to have a job when you get back. It isn't done here.

While I can't speak for hagwons, I seriously doubt you could arrange it with them either unless you have something beyond what you're telling us to offer them in return. And an MA in IR won't take you very far in the Uni market.

And as to the cost of flights, yeah, that will pretty much chop to ribbons any savings you might have if you do it back and forth more than once.

Either forget the money issue and teach somewhere cheap and easy [look at SE Asia], hitch up for a bit longer here in Korea and defer your 'schemes' until 2014, or drop the whole notion of teaching abroad and focus on the drinking in Spain, as ttompatz says Surprised
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