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Dave Chance
Joined: 30 May 2011
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 Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
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| Dave Chance wrote: |
It's true they did well in the provinces, and therefore were able to capture the majority of seats.
However, they were beaten in Seoul and Gyeonggi. |
They did well outside of Seoul because the provinces are full of old people who read the jung ang ilbo every day and think the definition of a good president is Park Chung Hee.
Seoul and gyeonngi are younger crowd who know how to use the internet and know whats really going on. They can access a variety of alternative internet news sources, for example. |
And are more apt to accept conspiracy theories 
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Dave Chance - I notice how you totally avoided my question about massacres by the North. Any reason for that? |
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| Seems like a convenient excuse to "I don't have enough evidence to back myself up." I appreciate the website but it fails to back up your claim of "hundreds of thousands." Not to mention one of the sources is a communist journal written in Britain (talk about objective). As with anything in history, it's wise to look at several various sources before taking a stance. |
This is the part of the thread where casual observers who don't actually read earlier posts/check the sources linked allow themselves to utter, "Yup, thought so" and go back to sleep.
Fermemtation, if a site made by the Associated Press (how many others are you aware of that they went to the trouble to create for a specific event?) on a government investigation where teams of people went to actual locations and dug up the physical remains of executed victims isn't enough evidence for you, I think you need to see a psychologist...and what part of, "an estimate of 100,000 summarily executed in 1950 is 'very conservative'" don't you comprehend?
I know people who've witnessed some of these executions. Have a little respect. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| You quote me, yet still don't answer. Am I missing something? |
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Dave Chance
Joined: 30 May 2011
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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I replied to your point on page 5.
If you're so keen on the numbers for the North, you're free to post them.
In other words, when you start to post both sides of the story, I'll consider your request. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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I've been saying from the start on this thread that both sides have their share of dirt. That anyone who is claiming that one side is clean, is off their rocker.
Yet you keep on dredging up dirt on one side and one side only. And when confronted with anything that runs counter to your claims (or common sense) you fall back into your default narrative.
I think that we're lucky that we're living in a country where this is able to be discussed. Try doing that in the DPRK.
| Dave Chance wrote: |
Again, the car analogy falls way short- someone takes your inheritance and builds their career with it is more like it.
It has been documented that ROK/US massacres far outweighed those of the North as the ROK/US executions were far more indiscriminant and systematic and aimed at putting down mass numbers of people, the reason being that the majority of SK citizens favored Kim Il-sung over ROK/US military forces.
In other words, SK citizens were coerced into accepting ROK/US rule through terror and murder without trial. |
See, this stinks of bias.
Do you honestly believe that the North has conducted any type of balanced review of war atrocities?? |
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Dave Chance
Joined: 30 May 2011
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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The majority of things written/discussed in general ignores what I've posted.
You're free to post what the North's done; don't demand/dictate what others should do. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:07 am Post subject: |
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Nah, no demands here. But I'm calling you on your obvious bias. Your one sided slant on things.
So you can whine about how villainous a 9 year old is if ya like, but don't be surprised when you're called on it. |
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Dave Chance
Joined: 30 May 2011
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:18 am Post subject: |
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I post what I do to counter the bias of the majority of western media and your one-sidedness.
There, we're even; carry on, Captain. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:23 am Post subject: |
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| Dave Chance wrote: |
Fermemtation, if a site made by the Associated Press (how many others are you aware of that they went to the trouble to create for a specific event?) on a government investigation where teams of people went to actual locations and dug up the physical remains of executed victims isn't enough evidence for you, I think you need to see a psychologist...and what part of, "an estimate of 100,000 summarily executed in 1950 is 'very conservative'" don't you comprehend?
I know people who've witnessed some of these executions. Have a little respect. |
None of the hard evidence suggests 100,000 were killed. They all mention several thousand. I lack respect and I need a psychologist because I questioned your claim of "hundreds of thousands?" I tried to be respectful and asked you from genuine curiosity (like last time) and this is how you respond? Did the people you know actually see 100,000 people being killed?
Not very convincing dude. If you need to respond to emotional attacks then I don't think you have much to back up your claim. |
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Dave Chance
Joined: 30 May 2011
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:10 am Post subject: |
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| fermentation wrote: |
| Dave Chance wrote: |
Fermemtation, if a site made by the Associated Press (how many others are you aware of that they went to the trouble to create for a specific event?) on a government investigation where teams of people went to actual locations and dug up the physical remains of executed victims isn't enough evidence for you, I think you need to see a psychologist...and what part of, "an estimate of 100,000 summarily executed in 1950 is 'very conservative'" don't you comprehend?
I know people who've witnessed some of these executions. Have a little respect. |
None of the hard evidence suggests 100,000 were killed. They all mention several thousand. I lack respect and I need a psychologist because I questioned your claim of "hundreds of thousands?" I tried to be respectful and asked you from genuine curiosity (like last time) and this is how you respond? Did the people you know actually see 100,000 people being killed?
Not very convincing dude. If you need to respond to emotional attacks then I don't think you have much to back up your claim. |
Christ you are reading impaired as well.
For the last time-
http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/_international/korea_masskillings/index.html?SITE=AP
1) Go to the above (2) Read the wording on the first page that comes up (3) Using dictionary where necessary, notice where it says a member of the government commission says 100,000 summarily executed is a conservative estimate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:South_Korean_soldiers_walk_among_dead_political_prisoners,_Taejon,_South_Korea.jpg
(4) 'Click' on the above (5) Scroll down beneath the photo (6) Dictionary in hand, notice where it mentions that the commission was halted (by the current administration), thereby ensuring that numerous other sites of execution will remain unexamined (7) Allow any brainwaves that result to materialize.
I'm pretty much done with you on this thread, I'm afraid; can you blame me?
I still respect the fact that you made a run at being a boxer. I hope you don't make me lose respect for all that and more.
And for anyone else late to this thread- the commision was set up by the previous president, Roh Moo-hyun. The findings greatly disturbed a number of people, including those in very powerful positions. The current president, Lee Myung--bak, shut the fact-finding work of the commission down, and officially stated that the executioners acted out of necessity (which of course compelled them to massacre an inordinate amount of men, women, and children). |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:28 am Post subject: |
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| perhaps you need to use that dictionary yourself - do I really need to define 'estimate' for you? |
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Dave Chance
Joined: 30 May 2011
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:05 am Post subject: |
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Es tu, Captain?
Good lord, snakey as a crafty media source in leaving out a very key word, which changes the entire meaning-
"conservative".
"conservative" + "estimate" = the actual number is higher. Appreciably. Higher.
Factor in that a number of sites have deliberately been left unexplored, and hopefully you'll register a brainwave or two as well.
What's worse is your behavior draws attention away from the central fact that there was a systematic extermination of citizens done in a manner and on a scale which brings to mind the Holocaust (the Nazis set up concentration and labor camps from 1933 and so had a full 12 years to murder as many as they did; the Bodo League massacre was quite similar in the sense that massive numbers of citizens were rounded up, then summarily done away with in a machine-like manner). So in a sense you are complicit with and part of the cover-up/deflection of the facts.
Yep, not too impressive this time around, Captain. On some issues you seem genuinely concerned with human injustices, and yet with others you clumsily fumble with the smoke and mirrors routine...then later try to find an opportunity to come back to that person with what you've been guilty of (yes I won't be surprised when on some other thread you say, "WHO'S USING SMOKE AND MIRRORS NOW?") 
I'm gonna have to leave it here with you as well. Anyone who reads this thread to a higher degree of comprehension than has been exhibited by some will realize the issue we've been discussing has been settled. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:49 am Post subject: |
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A 'conservative estimate' is still an estimate. You can dance around it all you like, but the fact remains... this is an estimate. If they had actual proof as to actual numbers, then you'd be posting it.
I don't think that asking for proof is such an objectionable thing, do you?
Beyond that though, I find it telling that a thread about a recent election, has you going off on tangents about stuff that happened 60 or so years ago. Sad, really. Can't actually accept that "the left" fumbled the ball this round, and have to try every means possible to deflect.
Are we seriously going to start posting things from that far back? Your attack on a 9 year old didn't work... so now you're drudging deeper.
Atrocities Against American Pows In Korean War
ICC To Probe North Korean War Crimes
...and more violations
Seriously, the list could go on and on.
At a certain point, one has to wonder... WTH does it have to do with the original topic?
Are you seriously that unable to stay on point? |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:14 am Post subject: |
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Funny man.
Resorting to personal attacks is not the way to win someone over. I thought you were trying to convince me. Once again, I asked and questioned you out of curiosity. I wanted to learn. Infact I would thank you if for enlightening me should you succeed. But you're going about this the wrong way. Unless that wasn't your goal all along. What is your agenda anyway?
I'm curious, what is the Commission's actual procedure for gathering this info? Because the quote you so adamantly defend says 100,000, yet none of the hard numbers given in the documents in that same site don't even come close to that number. I'm sure there are more documents though. Did they add up the numbers?
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| And for anyone else late to this thread- the commision was set up by the previous president, Roh Moo-hyun. The findings greatly disturbed a number of people, including those in very powerful positions. The current president, Lee Myung--bak, shut the fact-finding work of the commission down, and officially stated that the executioners acted out of necessity (which of course compelled them to massacre an inordinate amount of men, women, and children). |
I fully support the efforts of such a commission, but what's stopping private scholars and historians from doing the research?
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| I'm pretty much done with you on this thread, I'm afraid; can you blame me? |
For someone who seems so passionate about this cause, you give up pretty quickly. You expect people to blindly believe what you say and attack anyone who questions you. Seems similar to the very people you're against.
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| I hope you don't make me lose respect for all that and more. |
You're starting to lose mine so it's ok. You're not a very good ambassador to this cause of yours. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:16 am Post subject: |
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It's information obviously fabricated by the US and it's lackeys.
| Captain Corea wrote: |
At a certain point, one has to wonder... WTH does it have to do with the original topic?
Are you seriously that unable to stay on point? |
In other news, none of this answered my question on why I should vote for one of these assholes.
Last edited by fermentation on Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:18 am; edited 1 time in total |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:16 am Post subject: |
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| It doesn't really matter anymore. There has been a small but growing leadership crisis in the Saenuri Party. A conservative political party that focuses too much on PR wouldn't be successful. |
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