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Udo
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 Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:06 pm Post subject: Climate Alarmist Calls For Burning Down Skeptics� Homes |
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See, this way more people will agree with global warming & climate change If you threaten to burn down their home, they might think "yeah, maybe this guy is on to something."
I actually like these guys- they scare the crap out of people and get money for it. Al Gore has parlayed this skill into a multi-million dollar business I'm trying to dream up a new scare and make bank. I'm toying with the idea that unless we don't do something soon, methane hydrates on the floor of the Gulf of Mexico will expand and create a toxic cloud around the planet.
http://www.infowars.com/climate-alarmist-calls-for-burning-down-skeptics-homes/print/
�Let�s start keeping track of them�let�s make them pay�
Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
Thursday, April 19, 2012
Writing for Forbes Magazine, climate change alarmist Steve Zwick calls for skeptics of man-made global warming to be tracked, hunted down and have their homes burned to the ground, yet another shocking illustration of how eco-fascism is rife within the environmentalist lobby.
Comparing climate change skeptics to residents in Tennessee who refused to pay a $75 fee, resulting in firemen sitting back and watching their houses burn down, Zwick rants that anyone who actively questions global warming propaganda should face the same treatment.
�We know who the active denialists are � not the people who buy the lies, mind you, but the people who create the lies. Let�s start keeping track of them now, and when the famines come, let�s make them pay. Let�s let their houses burn. Let�s swap their safe land for submerged islands. Let�s force them to bear the cost of rising food prices,� writes Zwick, adding, �They broke the climate. Why should the rest of us have to pay for it?�
As we have profusely documented, as polls show that fewer and fewer Americans are convinced by the pseudo-science behind man-made global warming, promulgated as it is by control freaks like Zwick who care more about money and power than they do the environment, AGW adherents are becoming increasingly authoritarian in their pronouncements.
Even as the science itself disproves their theories � Arctic ice is thickening, polar bears and penguins are thriving, Himalayan glaciers are growing � climate change alarmists are only becoming more aggressive in their attacks against anyone who dares question the global warming mantra.
Earlier month we highlighted Professor Kari Norgaard�s call for climate skeptics to be likened to racists and �treated� for having a mental disorder. In a letter to Barack Obama, Norgaard also called on the President to ignore the will of the people and suspend democracy in order to enforce draconian ecological mandates.
A d v e r t i s e m e n t
But that�s by no means represents the extreme edge of eco-fascist sentiment that has been expressed in recent years.
In 2010, UK government-backed global warming alarmist group 10:10 produced an infomercial in which children who refused to lower their carbon emissions were slaughtered in an orgy of blood and guts. After a massive backlash, the organization was forced to remove the video from their website and issue an apology.
The same year, �Gaia hypothesis� creator James Lovelock asserted that �democracy must be put on hold� to combat global warming and that �a few people with authority� should be allowed to run the planet because people were too stupid to be allowed to steer their own destinies.
In 2006, an environmental magazine to which Al Gore and Bill Moyers had both granted interviews advocated that climate skeptics who are part of the �denial industry� be arrested and made to face Nuremberg-style war crimes trials.
ClimateDepot.com�s Mark Morano is encouraging AGW skeptics to politely inform Steve Zwick ( [email protected]) that calling for people who express a difference of opinion to be tracked and have their houses burned down is not a rational argument for the legitimacy of man-made global warming science.
Indeed, it�s the argument of a demented idiot who�s obviously in the throws of a childish tantrum over the fact that Americans are rejecting the global government/carbon tax agenda for which man-made global warming is a front in greater numbers than ever before.
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ED209
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Thank goodness the oil giants and Koch brothers are pumping millions into fighting these million dollar climate alarmists. And respect to the polls for over turning the science and evidence.
http://greenpeaceblogs.com/2012/04/02/koch-brothers-exposed-fueling-climate-denial-and-privatizing-democracy/
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| Charles and David Koch have dumped just under 60 million dollars into front groups that attack climate science and policies designed to solve global warming. |
What a selfless act of philanthropy.
Anyway Zwick's comments are meaningless, our beach properties are safe since "Arctic ice is thickening, polar bears and penguins are thriving, Himalayan glaciers are growing". |
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visitorq
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, militant environmentalism, what a way to win people over to your cause. Somebody should remind them burning houses is bad for the environment.
State of Fear was awesome. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Firstly he doesn't say that their houses should be burned down, but was speaking in metaphor, secondly any movement has its fringe and that fringe doesn't really validate or invalidate the movement itself. Thirdly, what he says is stupid, but when environmental degradation happens everyone has to pay, which isn't fair to the people who don't pollute and who actual listen to science instead of conspiracy websites like infowars. Anybody else noticing the increase in natural disasters lately? |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| Anybody else noticing the increase in natural disasters lately? |
No. Not unless you count earthquakes and tsunamis.
Also, the depravity of climate alarmists knows no bounds. You want to talk about terrorizing the public, here's the sort of thing they stand for in a nutshell:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUxvjJMpztM&feature=related |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Anybody else noticing the increase in natural disasters lately? |
No. Not unless you count earthquakes and tsunamis.
Also, the depravity of climate alarmists knows no bounds. You want to talk about terrorizing the public, here's the sort of thing they stand for in a nutshell:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUxvjJMpztM&feature=related |
Floods, as well, have been pretty horrific lately in Pakistan, wildfires in Russia and in Texas, Landslides in China, etc. etc.
I think posting disgusting commercials just dances around the issue. Sure it was overly graphic and dumb, but I don't think any one really takes it that seriously. Even if we don't look at something like global warming I think its pretty safe to say that the environment is a collective good, and that everyone suffers from its degradation, not just the people actively degrading it. Even if you don't believe in global warming, things like air quality are pretty obvious, and we do know who pollutes, but collectively we all suffer from the results equally.
The researchers looked at the amount of small particle pollutants in 51 US cities, including Boston, Worcester, and Providence, R.I., during the '80s and '90s and found that the predicted lifespan increased most significantly in cities where air quality also increased most dramatically.
The study, which will appear in tomorrow's New England Journal of Medicine, signals that efforts to curtail the small, toxic particles spewed by power plants, factories, cars, and trucks and inhaled by city-dwellers had significant health benefits over those two decades. Several clean air advocates and public health specialists say the results also show that stronger standards for air pollutants are necessary.
http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/green/greenblog/2009/01/harvard_study_air_pollution_cu.html
I believe that acting outraged over a small group of people who say outrageous things is a smoke screen to discredit people who are concerned about the environment. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| Floods, as well, have been pretty horrific lately in Pakistan, wildfires in Russia and in Texas, Landslides in China, etc. etc. |
It may (or may not) be the case that it's been worse "lately", but I don't see any evidence that it's worse than it's ever been. These sorts of disasters have always happened.
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| I think posting disgusting commercials just dances around the issue. Sure it was overly graphic and dumb, but I don't think any one really takes it that seriously. |
I take it very seriously. I couldn't tell you how many environmentalist types I've met who literally think human beings are a plague upon the earth (I've had some even tell me point blank that if most people were wiped out it would be a "good" thing)... It's a world view that I find extremely disturbing - even more so because it's so casually accepted as a part of our culture. That video really encapsulated it well, I thought.
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Even if we don't look at something like global warming I think its pretty safe to say that the environment is a collective good, and that everyone suffers from its degradation, not just the people actively degrading it. Even if you don't believe in global warming, things like air quality are pretty obvious, and we do know who pollutes, but collectively we all suffer from the results equally.
The researchers looked at the amount of small particle pollutants in 51 US cities, including Boston, Worcester, and Providence, R.I., during the '80s and '90s and found that the predicted lifespan increased most significantly in cities where air quality also increased most dramatically.
The study, which will appear in tomorrow's New England Journal of Medicine, signals that efforts to curtail the small, toxic particles spewed by power plants, factories, cars, and trucks and inhaled by city-dwellers had significant health benefits over those two decades. Several clean air advocates and public health specialists say the results also show that stronger standards for air pollutants are necessary.
http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/green/greenblog/2009/01/harvard_study_air_pollution_cu.html |
I don't disagree that there are real environmental issues and that pollution is a serious problem in some places. Not sure I really agree with calling it a "collective good" per se, as this seems to suggest that a collective solution is required (ie. state intervention). Since most pollution is caused by government allowing companies to pollute (whether it's the 'tragedy of the commons', or the US government pimping off mineral rights to corporate cronies), I would say increased private property is the best solution. But I'll admit it's a complicate issue.
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| I believe that acting outraged over a small group of people who say outrageous things is a smoke screen to discredit people who are concerned about the environment. |
I assure you it is no smokescreen. I am not talking about your average Joe who cares about having a clean air and water - I'm talking about hard core environmentalists who receive massive funding from the government and private corporations. Opportunist crooks like Maurice Strong and Al Gore, as well as the vicious gangs of ideologues and useful idiots under them; people calling for our resources to be shut off, for population reduction, and for curbing our civil liberties in the name of 'saving the earth'. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| Floods, as well, have been pretty horrific lately in Pakistan, wildfires in Russia and in Texas, Landslides in China, etc. etc. |
It may (or may not) be the case that it's been worse "lately", but I don't see any evidence that it's worse than it's ever been. These sorts of disasters have always happened.
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| I think posting disgusting commercials just dances around the issue. Sure it was overly graphic and dumb, but I don't think any one really takes it that seriously. |
I take it very seriously. I couldn't tell you how many environmentalist types I've met who literally think human beings are a plague upon the earth (I've had some even tell me point blank that if most people were wiped out it would be a "good" thing)... It's a world view that I find extremely disturbing - even more so because it's so casually accepted as a part of our culture. That video really encapsulated it well, I thought.
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Even if we don't look at something like global warming I think its pretty safe to say that the environment is a collective good, and that everyone suffers from its degradation, not just the people actively degrading it. Even if you don't believe in global warming, things like air quality are pretty obvious, and we do know who pollutes, but collectively we all suffer from the results equally.
The researchers looked at the amount of small particle pollutants in 51 US cities, including Boston, Worcester, and Providence, R.I., during the '80s and '90s and found that the predicted lifespan increased most significantly in cities where air quality also increased most dramatically.
The study, which will appear in tomorrow's New England Journal of Medicine, signals that efforts to curtail the small, toxic particles spewed by power plants, factories, cars, and trucks and inhaled by city-dwellers had significant health benefits over those two decades. Several clean air advocates and public health specialists say the results also show that stronger standards for air pollutants are necessary.
http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/green/greenblog/2009/01/harvard_study_air_pollution_cu.html |
I don't disagree that there are real environmental issues and that pollution is a serious problem in some places. Not sure I really agree with calling it a "collective good" per se, as this seems to suggest that a collective solution is required (ie. state intervention). Since most pollution is caused by government allowing companies to pollute (whether it's the 'tragedy of the commons', or the US government pimping off mineral rights to corporate cronies), I would say increased private property is the best solution. But I'll admit it's a complicate issue.
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| I believe that acting outraged over a small group of people who say outrageous things is a smoke screen to discredit people who are concerned about the environment. |
I assure you it is no smokescreen. I am not talking about your average Joe who cares about having a clean air and water - I'm talking about hard core environmentalists who receive massive funding from the government and private corporations. Opportunist crooks like Maurice Strong and Al Gore, as well as the vicious gangs of ideologues and useful idiots under them; people calling for our resources to be shut off, for population reduction, and for curbing our civil liberties in the name of 'saving the earth'. |
It is a collective good, and as such does need a collective solution. Whether or not that necessarily entails government there is no need to get into here. Quite simply though, a significant group of people, and nations, need to work together on this or it won't improve. That is the nature of the problem.
Hardcore anything are usual a problem. No matter what group, the fanatics damage it. I know you are a libertarian, but I doubt you support patriot groups and read the Turner Diaries, etc. etc. There is room to say that we do need to manage our resources more carefully, and of course an unchecked population is bad for developing countries for numerous reasons. Is Al Gore really so threatening? I never watched his video, but I can hardly managing him being too radical. If anything most people take environmental concerns too lightly. |
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Udo
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Nowhere Man
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:49 am Post subject: ... |
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Great. We just got visitorq weaned off of Alex Jones when a new Alexian arrives.
Oh...nvm. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:24 am Post subject: Re: ... |
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| Nowhere Man wrote: |
Great. We just got visitorq weaned off of Alex Jones when a new Alexian arrives.
Oh...nvm. |
I never bring up Alex Jones or cite anything by him. You, on the other hand, bring him up constantly. It's like he's an obsession of yours or something. |
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Axiom
Joined: 18 Jan 2008
Location: Brisbane, Australia
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:21 am Post subject: Re: ... |
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| Nowhere Man wrote: |
Great. We just got visitorq weaned off of Alex Jones when a new Alexian arrives.
Oh...nvm. |
Mr N, how's the Maldives going? Sunk below the waves yet? |
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Axiom
Joined: 18 Jan 2008
Location: Brisbane, Australia
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:30 am Post subject: |
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Even Lovelock has thrown his Gaian hands in the air.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2134092/Gaia-scientist-James-Lovelock-I-alarmist-climate-change.html
'I made a mistake': Gaia theory scientist James Lovelock admits he was 'alarmist' about the impact of climate change
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Environmental scientist James Lovelock, renowned for his terrifying predictions of climate change's deadly impact on the planet, has gone back on his previous claims, admitting they were 'alarmist'.
The 92-year-old Briton, who also developed the Gaia theory of the Earth as a single organism, has said climate change is still happening - just not as quickly as he once warned.
He added that other environmental commentators, such as former vice president Al Gore, are also guilty of exaggerating their arguments.
The admission comes as a devastating blow to proponents of climate change who regard Lovelock as a powerful figurehead. |
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Axiom
Joined: 18 Jan 2008
Location: Brisbane, Australia
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:13 am Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| Anybody else noticing the increase in natural disasters lately? |
No. Not unless you count earthquakes and tsunamis.
Also, the depravity of climate alarmists knows no bounds. You want to talk about terrorizing the public, here's the sort of thing they stand for in a nutshell:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUxvjJMpztM&feature=related |
Then they was this bit of propaganda to open Copenhagen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVGGgncVq-4 |
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