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jvalmer
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| Most students don't smoke because if their parents caught them, it would be the beating of a lifetime. |
When you say most, what percentage do you mean? I work a boys' middle school and a good chunk of them will probably start smoking before they go on to high school. I'd say 20%, and close to 95% by the time they finish their military service. |
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12ax7
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 4:55 am Post subject: |
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| Charlie Bourque wrote: |
I've seen this in Canada. I grew up in Quebec and, until very recently, you could send an 8 year old into a "depaneur" and have them walk out with a 6-pack of beer, a dozen scratch-n-win lottery tickets and a carton of cigarettes.
*beep* yeah. |
Many of my relatives live in Montreal, and so we've spent some summers there when I was a kid. My aunt would send my brother to buy her cigarettes; I think he was 6 years-old at the time...which why the one time I was asked to show my ID when I lived in Montreal, my buddy and I just looked at each other and burst out laughing. The clerk was getting nervous, so I explained, "C'est ma fete." "Ah, t'as 18 ans aujourd'hui? Bonne fete!", he replied. I answered, "Non, j'ai pas 18 ans...J'ai 22". LOL. |
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Michael_75
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:11 am Post subject: |
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| 12ax7 wrote: |
| Many of my relatives live in Montreal, and so we've spent some summers there when I was a kid. My aunt would send my brother to buy her cigarettes; I think he was 6 years-old at the time...which why the one time I was asked to show my ID when I lived in Montreal, my buddy and I just looked at each other and burst out laughing. The clerk was getting nervous, so I explained, "C'est ma fete." "Ah, t'as 18 ans aujourd'hui? Bonne fete!", he replied. I answered, "Non, j'ai pas 18 ans...J'ai 22". LOL. |
LOLZ! Do you have any more belters like that for us? |
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travellingwilly
Joined: 19 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 5:57 pm Post subject: Re: 7Eleven is selling cigarette's to my students 0_0 |
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| Does every global franchise convenience store in Korea sell cigarettes to kids? I just saw a clerk selling cigs to one of my underage students... didn't even check for ID. I don't know whether to see this as culture shock or pure negligence. Any one else have any experience with this? |
Shock, horror!! Next you will be telling us that children who are underage are also drinking alcoholic beverages!
Did you never smoke or drink when you were underage? Send the older looking mate into your local Indian store with �10 and see what booze he could buy? If so, why are you writing this shit? You are either just a bored, geeky virgin with nothing else to do or...well, I can't think of any other reason why! |
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Squire
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Location: Jeollanam-do
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I'd turn a blind eye unless they're elementary students. Middle and high school kids no doubt know the effects of smoking, but it's just one of those things young people do. Frankly after hearing about two middle school kids getting expelled for kissing I'd be very reluctant to report anything like this in case there is an over the top reaction I'd feel guilty about
The fact is kids do dumb things, but compared with riding about on a bike/scooter without a helmet or having unprotected sex this is pretty minor |
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Steelrails
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| There is a big difference between being underage and asking someone to go in to buy you booze, to walking in yourself and being able to buy it, even though your wearing a school uniform |
Yeah, 25% markup and you putting your older brother in a position where they can go to jail for your stupidity.
I find the attitudes about booze and smokes here refreshing. HS field trips are often booze fests and everyone knows it. Same with the last day of school. The town I live in has had that tradition for the last 30 years and no one has died. Human beings drink. Kids think smoking is cool. I find this refreshing compared to the nanny-statism of back home where someone smoking in front of a minor makes them worse than Castro. |
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fermentation
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| You guys hear? The government and various businesses signed an "Agreement" to stop selling alcohol and cigarettes to teens. As if they didn't already know that's its illegal. |
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rchristo10
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How about acting like a grownup and telling the student not to buy cigarettes and let the cashier know that the kid is underaged when you see such transactions taking place. I mean, hell, you do exist don't you? Teacher or not, if it bothers you speak up when the time calls for it. Otherwise, mind your own business. Seems pretty simple to me--without all the melodrama. 
If you don't speak Korean, speak in English, wave your hands around and give the international X meaning no and point to the kid.
If you fail, then move on. Not all battles were meant to be won. But I'd assume you know the difference between good and bad and are big enough to teach that to your student, no? |
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ratslash
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:44 am Post subject: Re: 7Eleven is selling cigarette's to my students 0_0 |
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| Zoisite wrote: |
| Does every global franchise convenience store in Korea sell cigarettes to kids? I just saw a clerk selling cigs to one of my underage students... didn't even check for ID. I don't know whether to see this as culture shock or pure negligence. Any one else have any experience with this? |
Shock, horror!! Next you will be telling us that children who are underage are also drinking alcoholic beverages!
Did you never smoke or drink when you were underage? Send the older looking mate into your local Indian store with �10 and see what booze he could buy? If so, why are you writing this shit? You are either just a bored, geeky virgin with nothing else to do or...well, I can't think of any other reason why! |
A - There is a big difference between being underage and asking someone to go in to buy you booze, to walking in yourself and being able to buy it, even though your wearing a school uniform. It makes me sick when the clerk does it knowingly.
B - stfu. |
1. Grow up and get in the real world. You act like a goody goody spouting off this moral shit, but I can bet that when you were a teenager yourself, you either smoked or drank (or both) whilst underage!! Don't come on here and pretend like you never...
2. You telling me to shut the f*ck up is not going to make me...you childish idiot.
3.Your mum?! |
Lmao! |
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TheUrbanMyth
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Steelrails
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Especially at a liquor store where the average item sold comes in a brown paper bag for easy traveling, bullet proof glass around the counter, and brillo pads by the front counter.
Excuse me Mr. Dogg, but I'm afraid that your attempt to purchase alcohol fromt his merchant is against regulations as is that derringer in your wiastband. I'm afraid I'm going to have to call the local constables to take you away in the paddywagon. |
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rchristo10
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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So, you came to Korea thinking that you should act how you do at home? Interesting.
I'd assess the situation back home and here. Do you think that telling them not to sell to those 16 year olds would end up getting you in a spat? Or perhaps, they'd turn to drugs or become gangsta thugs...in KOREA!
As they say in da hood, wake up mofo.
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| And don't give me any nonsense about this doesn't happen back home. |
Nope, I get sweet pickles with my pizza, oils to dip my meat in, and scissors to cut it back at home all the time.
No, no. We wouldn't want to do anything we would do back home here. That would...make so much more sense.  |
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rchristo10
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| Would you do this back home as well? |
So, you came to Korea thinking that you should act how you do at home? Interesting.
Nope, I get sweet pickles with my pizza, oils to dip my meat in, and scissors to cut it all up back at home all the time.  [idiot radar...goes..blip...blip...blip]
No, no. We wouldn't want to do anything here that we wouldn't do back home. Oh no.
Why do people go abroad and suddenly become cowards or social retards?
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I'd assess the situation back home and here. Do you think that telling a store not to sell to your underaged students would end up getting you into a spat? Who knows, maybe those students will seek out ways of getting you in a dark alley one night. Oooh ooh ooh, or perhaps, they'd turn to drugs or become gangsta thugs...yes...in KOREA!? Imagine the gangsta beat down you'd get--guys in skinny jeans wielding mechanical pencils and threatening you with the needle of their compasses & retractable paper cutters! (I shiver in fear! 닭살! 닭살!)
Fortunately, the hood has already come up with some medicine for this situation. As they say in the hood, "wake up mofo and grow some balls or learn to stfu and move on. Booya!"
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| And don't give me any nonsense about this doesn't happen back home. |
How does this logic work exactly!? If it happens back home (which I accept that it does), then why would the OP whine and talk about it as some sort of culture shock? Just bored?
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| Plenty more where that came from. |
Do we need more to add to your pinkish melodrama? You're already embarrassing the English teaching community enough, no?
In Korea, which in many ways benefits and suffers from such Confucian/ socialist tactics, it's more than acceptable to speak out--in the name of social harmony--if you're older. And granted, I am assuming here, I reckoned that a teacher in Korea would be older than his or her 16-year-olds. (Having read this thread & your prior posts, I seriously wonder if I'm not mistaken.) |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Would you do this back home as well? |
So, you came to Korea thinking that you should act how you do at home? Interesting.
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Look again at your quote. You never said that this was a KOREAN student. You made a general statement and I merely inquired if this holds true anywhere or only in Korea.
And as we see by your post and remarks it's only in Korea. It is rather ironic that you make remarks about other people's courage when you state"How about acting like a grownup and telling the student not to buy cigarettes...
And then when asked if you would do this back home it is suddenly "I'd assess the situation..." |
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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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This thread is getting silly.
I don't think intervening directly would be a good idea. To many possible negative outcomes.
If you see something like this and you feel a moral obligation to do something then report it. They do take these reports seriously and follow up with sting operations.
We had a local 7-11 get busted for selling to minors and they lost the right to sell cigarettes for awhile. It does happen.
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