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Poker



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:46 am    Post subject: My girlfriend is unhealthy Reply with quote

I need some thoughts on what to do. My Korean girlfriend likes to eat fried chicken, lots of meat, cakes, coffee, soda etc etc All bad foods that you can think of. She was recently hospitilized for having kidney stones. She is 26 years old. I was really sad seeing her at the hospital bed surrounded by 60 to 80 year old sick people. I feel she is too young to be affected by lifestyle diseases. Something is really wrong with her body's biochemistry. I was just as unhealthy as her until I lost a family member a couple of years ago.

While in hospital, I told her that she has to become more healthy and smart about her choices, she listened for about a week, eating all kinds of fresh foods. Then yesterday, she had fried chicken again when she went out with her friends.

Now I know it is her life and she is responsible for what she does, but I may marry this girl in the future. What do I do to let her know the gravity of her situation?

When I heard that she went back to her poor diet a week after being released from hosiptial, I was angry and wanted to say this, "It is your life and I will not force you to do something that you don't want to do. But if one day you are in hospital again, I will not be feeling sorry for you. I am not stupid enough to bind my life to someone that doesn't take her health seriously." Instead, I kept my mouth shut.

Now if I say that, there is going to be plenty of fallout right? My mother died of colon cancer in her 40s. Incredibly young to have a lifestyle cancer. I know the feeling of losing a loved one to a preventable illness. I am not willing to go through something like that again. Old age sickness is fine, but not in someone's mid 30-50s.

Also, a mother has huge influence on the kids health. I cannot police everything my future kids eat when I am not there, my future wife has to take the responsibilty too.

I am unsure on how to approach this with her. I want to warn her that she will lose me if she can't understand this issue, but I don't want to destroy this otherwise great relationship. What should I say without sounding offensive and cold?

People often say life should be lived with no limits and no regrets. Just go and do whatever one wants. But a lot of problems can be prevented by being a bit more responsible. Starting a family these days needs both parents working together with similar life goals and viewpoints. Clearly in the world we live in, some things need to be avoided. If I can help it, I don't want to be raising my children on my own one day.

Thanks for any advice, I just need some perspective from other sources. I can't talk about this with my co-workers or friends, as gossip is a dangerous thing in Korea.
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Seoulman69



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like a tough situation. If you leave her it may be the event that makes her see the light and change her eating habits. If you lecture her too much it may be detrimental to the relationship. If you don't tell her she may never change.
It all depends on you. If she never changes are the other aspects of the relationship strong enough to keep you together? If she really cared about you would she eat things that you disagree with?

Good luck.
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ajosshi



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

accept

-or-

except


you can only change yourself.

good luck.
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rabidcake



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow! Ok that scares me a bit, I need to start eating healthier food as well. I have been eating way too much noodles which are extremely salty. A lot of exercise is no substitute for healthy eating is it?? (Ok I know it isn't, but how much of a substitute can it be?...)

My cousin who is quite overweight got kidney stones. To be honest I thought having excessive weight would be the direct cause of the kidney stones and not the unhealthy eating food per say.

Anyhow OP, wouldn't you be a bit concerned that she may increase her weight dramatically once you are married to her? She may be thin now but with that lifestyle eventually her metabolism will break down and she will probably be packing on the pounds like a true future citizen of the western world.

I think the OP's dilemma is a good reminder for all of us to eat a bit of healthy food now and then, and also drink plenty of water!!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uhh, sounds like you just need to give her an ultimatum dude. I mean, it's not a thing about attractiveness, right? I flat out harming her health at this point. If a person doesn't care that you're concerned about them to that extent they don't deserve you in their life.

Let her know that you'll do everything you can to help her on that journey, even joining her on it by dieting with her. But let her know you need to know she'll make changes FOR HER OWN GOOD, or you can't deal with the stress and concern.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:30 am    Post subject: Re: My girlfriend is unhealthy Reply with quote

Poker wrote:
While in hospital, I told her that she has to become more healthy and smart about her choices, she listened for about a week, eating all kinds of fresh foods. Then yesterday, she had fried chicken again when she went out with her friends.


She went out once and had fried chicken and you're freaking? I admittedly skimmed the rest but so what if she has fried chicken once in a while with friends? Koreans aren't interested in doing that when they hang out, and for all you know she probably tried to suggest it and it got shot down in a ball of fiery fire because her friends were like "A salad with no dressing? No way!"

Why don't you try giving her a month before you start getting all concerned again? She proved herself well on her own and succumbed once on a day out with friends.
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Zackback



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatever she does just lover her and stay with her anyway.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any chance she is prone to depression?
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fermentation



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yikes. Kidney stones. I hope she at least drinks plenty of water. Heard that can prevent it a bit. I'm no relationship expert but I would avoid emotional outbreaks. You may feel more strongly about this because of your family history but try to keep emotion out of it. Instead why not sit her down and talk to her?

Also, I would suggest suggesting things to her like, "Hey let's work out together" or make it a thing where you both try to drink more water (assuming she doesn't) and eat more fresh veggies. Try to substitute certain foods with healthier alternatives. Like baked chicken instead of fried. Tea or juice instead of soda (I have a soda addiction myself and lots of water helps). Lean cuts of meat instead of samgyupsal or bacon.

Getting emotional might only invoke emotional responses. Try to lead her into doing what you want her to do instead of coercing her. Even if ultimatums and nagging works, it might build into resentment later. That kind of stuff will only end up blowing up in a later argument.
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Swampfox10mm



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Run away. Run fast. Run far.

She will never change. She will drag you down with her, leaving you wondering why you wasted XX number of years out of our life on her.

Trust me. Get out now.
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Poker



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seoulman69 wrote:
Sounds like a tough situation. If you leave her it may be the event that makes her see the light and change her eating habits. If you lecture her too much it may be detrimental to the relationship. If you don't tell her she may never change.
It all depends on you. If she never changes are the other aspects of the relationship strong enough to keep you together? If she really cared about you would she eat things that you disagree with?

Good luck.


Yeah, she is a grown woman, is it really my place to lecture her? But if she doesn't change, I don't think the relationship can last if I wanted to start a family. I would have to live with this problem for the rest of my life. Once in a while she would have a healthy meal with me but I think it is hard for her to change as she has been eating her way for too long.

ajosshi wrote:
accept

-or-

except


you can only change yourself.

good luck.


I hope I can inspire/influence her in a positive way if I can. Even if I end up not being with her, her life may be better off after she has faced this kind of experience.

rabidcake wrote:
Wow! Ok that scares me a bit, I need to start eating healthier food as well. I have been eating way too much noodles which are extremely salty. A lot of exercise is no substitute for healthy eating is it?? (Ok I know it isn't, but how much of a substitute can it be?...)

My cousin who is quite overweight got kidney stones. To be honest I thought having excessive weight would be the direct cause of the kidney stones and not the unhealthy eating food per say.

Anyhow OP, wouldn't you be a bit concerned that she may increase her weight dramatically once you are married to her? She may be thin now but with that lifestyle eventually her metabolism will break down and she will probably be packing on the pounds like a true future citizen of the western world.

I think the OP's dilemma is a good reminder for all of us to eat a bit of healthy food now and then, and also drink plenty of water!!


She does exercise a lot, she is a physical education major. But as we know, our bodies still nedd the right nutrition. She has had a history of rapid weight gain and yes, I am worried that she may gain the pounds in the future if I am powerless to stop her from eating those type of foods. My future children will likely follow mommy's footsteps and become obese too.

jdog2050 wrote:
Uhh, sounds like you just need to give her an ultimatum dude. I mean, it's not a thing about attractiveness, right? I flat out harming her health at this point. If a person doesn't care that you're concerned about them to that extent they don't deserve you in their life.

Let her know that you'll do everything you can to help her on that journey, even joining her on it by dieting with her. But let her know you need to know she'll make changes FOR HER OWN GOOD, or you can't deal with the stress and concern.


I love her and she could be my life partner, but yeah, she doesn't seem to care or understand how serious this issue can become.

Zyzyfer wrote:
Poker wrote:
While in hospital, I told her that she has to become more healthy and smart about her choices, she listened for about a week, eating all kinds of fresh foods. Then yesterday, she had fried chicken again when she went out with her friends.


She went out once and had fried chicken and you're freaking? I admittedly skimmed the rest but so what if she has fried chicken once in a while with friends? Koreans aren't interested in doing that when they hang out, and for all you know she probably tried to suggest it and it got shot down in a ball of fiery fire because her friends were like "A salad with no dressing? No way!"

Why don't you try giving her a month before you start getting all concerned again? She proved herself well on her own and succumbed once on a day out with friends.


Maybe I am too harsh and I should wait a couple of weeks before doing something. But when I saw her in hospital, laying there all weak and in pain, it blows my mind that 5 days later, she is back at it again. Yeah her friends all eat sweet and fast foods, it influences her too much. But could she not remember the time in hospital where everyone was concerned about her, what kind of potentially responsible adult is that?

Zackback wrote:
Whatever she does just lover her and stay with her anyway.


Yes I love her a lot, and she loves me a lot too. She has said I am the one and her family have accepted me. But I am a realist when it comes to life. My past experiences does not allow me to just think, 'everything will end up being ok.' I don't intend to blunder my way through life.

crescent wrote:
Any chance she is prone to depression?


She is a strong and positive person, but like all girls(or most people) these days, she has down times once in a while. No depressive nature that I could sense.
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Paddycakes



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:18 am    Post subject: Re: My girlfriend is unhealthy Reply with quote

Poker wrote:
I need some thoughts on what to do. My Korean girlfriend likes to eat fried chicken, lots of meat, cakes, coffee, soda etc etc All bad foods that you can think of. She was recently hospitilized for having kidney stones. She is 26 years old. I was really sad seeing her at the hospital bed surrounded by 60 to 80 year old sick people. I feel she is too young to be affected by lifestyle diseases. Something is really wrong with her body's biochemistry. I was just as unhealthy as her until I lost a family member a couple of years ago.

While in hospital, I told her that she has to become more healthy and smart about her choices, she listened for about a week, eating all kinds of fresh foods. Then yesterday, she had fried chicken again when she went out with her friends.

Now I know it is her life and she is responsible for what she does, but I may marry this girl in the future. What do I do to let her know the gravity of her situation?

When I heard that she went back to her poor diet a week after being released from hosiptial, I was angry and wanted to say this, "It is your life and I will not force you to do something that you don't want to do. But if one day you are in hospital again, I will not be feeling sorry for you. I am not stupid enough to bind my life to someone that doesn't take her health seriously." Instead, I kept my mouth shut.

Now if I say that, there is going to be plenty of fallout right? My mother died of colon cancer in her 40s. Incredibly young to have a lifestyle cancer. I know the feeling of losing a loved one to a preventable illness. I am not willing to go through something like that again. Old age sickness is fine, but not in someone's mid 30-50s.

Also, a mother has huge influence on the kids health. I cannot police everything my future kids eat when I am not there, my future wife has to take the responsibilty too.

I am unsure on how to approach this with her. I want to warn her that she will lose me if she can't understand this issue, but I don't want to destroy this otherwise great relationship. What should I say without sounding offensive and cold?

People often say life should be lived with no limits and no regrets. Just go and do whatever one wants. But a lot of problems can be prevented by being a bit more responsible. Starting a family these days needs both parents working together with similar life goals and viewpoints. Clearly in the world we live in, some things need to be avoided. If I can help it, I don't want to be raising my children on my own one day.

Thanks for any advice, I just need some perspective from other sources. I can't talk about this with my co-workers or friends, as gossip is a dangerous thing in Korea.



Dude, you're in Korea... give her the Kimchie is healthy talk.
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Poker



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fermentation wrote:
Yikes. Kidney stones. I hope she at least drinks plenty of water. Heard that can prevent it a bit. I'm no relationship expert but I would avoid emotional outbreaks. You may feel more strongly about this because of your family history but try to keep emotion out of it. Instead why not sit her down and talk to her?

Also, I would suggest suggesting things to her like, "Hey let's work out together" or make it a thing where you both try to drink more water (assuming she doesn't) and eat more fresh veggies. Try to substitute certain foods with healthier alternatives. Like baked chicken instead of fried. Tea or juice instead of soda (I have a soda addiction myself and lots of water helps). Lean cuts of meat instead of samgyupsal or bacon.

Getting emotional might only invoke emotional responses. Try to lead her into doing what you want her to do instead of coercing her. Even if ultimatums and nagging works, it might build into resentment later. That kind of stuff will only end up blowing up in a later argument.


Yeah, having kidney stones is not a natural phenomenon. It is all down to diet. She didn't really drink enough water, substituting it with coffee, soda, beer.

Yes this is my problem right now. We are both mature adults, there should be no need to coerce or nag her to do something. It sets a bad precedent if we start a future family together. We have had discussions about healthy lifestyles and she seemed to agree, which is why it blew my mind when she went straight back to fried chicken 5 days later after her time in hospital.

Swampfox10mm wrote:
Run away. Run fast. Run far.

She will never change. She will drag you down with her, leaving you wondering why you wasted XX number of years out of our life on her.

Trust me. Get out now.


It is hard to walk away when the girl could be your life partner. Maybe I should walk away, but I should at least try to make it work before it comes to that.
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fermentation



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poker wrote:

We have had discussions about healthy lifestyles and she seemed to agree, which is why it blew my mind when she went straight back to fried chicken 5 days later after her time in hospital.


Habits are hard to break. I have somewhat of a soda addiction where I used to drink a 1.5 liter bottle of coke a day. Now I'm down to 2 bottles a week. I try to substitute it with water or something but I still get cravings and find myself sipping on a soda despite trying to fighting the urge. She probably feels guilty about it too. Although if I had kidney stones, I would probably stop drinking all soda at that moment.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Emotional Support? Dieting Together?
Rubbish!

The best way to get someone to stop eating unhealthy is to be a living example of what its like to be someone who is unhealthy. Either you or a friend (obese, and if possible one man and one woman) should start eating just the unhealthiest crap food possible in the most porcine manner possible. We're talking Double Quarter Pounder with Cheeses dunked in butter and all of that grease spill over you as you eat it out of a trough. Preferably in front of her friends that make her feel insecure. Those friends will be embarrassed at you or your friend and comment on that to her. Then get some friend who is in great shape and has a good personality to eat healthy food while said friends compliment them. At this moment your fat friend should be sure to have some sort of G-I 'incident' or a shortness of breath attack (cough up a whole pork chop).

How did I become a vegetarian? Not because of all the health literature, but by working in a place that served highly caloric meat drenched in cheese to people who had their own orbiting satellites. Made me meat and greasy food just seem gross. Once you stick to it for more than a month the fact that vegetables taste so good and the fact that you will feel better and that your poop literally will not stink and you can crap faster and cleaner than most people pee will sink in.

If possible try and shrink down her stomach to the point where 1 piece of pizza or half a sandwich is filling (it really should be that way).

Basically think about it- Republicans don't become fuel-efficiency conscious because of what Al Gore says. They do it because W starts a war and causes gas prices to spike.
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