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Catching your students cheating on written assignments
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v88



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:48 pm    Post subject: Catching your students cheating on written assignments Reply with quote

So far I use Naver and search for segments of text I suspect are copied. It finds blogs and what not where example essays are often posted. Google is good for finding those idiots who copy directly from Wikipedia.

I still have stuff that I'm sure is copied and I can't seem to find the source. Anyone have any better methods?
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YTMND



Joined: 16 Jan 2012
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Talk to the students. Ask them about what they wrote. If they just copied, then there is a good chance they won't be able to tell you anything about it. You can then question them as to how they were able to write about it.

Another step would be to have the ones you think cheated re-write them in your presence.
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goreality



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

www.turnitin.com
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Zackback



Joined: 05 Nov 2010
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never cared if my students cheated. If they did I just looked away and pretended I didn't see it.
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BigBuds



Joined: 15 Sep 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zackback wrote:
I never cared if my students cheated. If they did I just looked away and pretended I didn't see it.


Are you a Korean teacher?
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Scott in Incheon



Joined: 30 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Process writing....

Make the students do multiple drafts and you can catch these things early on.

Also make sure they do journals and free writing so that you have a record of how they write.

Finally, use prompts that are hard to copy...making them personal in some way...at least for the first few assignments...again it gives you a record of their writing style.
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Zackback



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not a Korean teacher but I am an English teacher.
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BigBuds



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zackback wrote:
I'm not a Korean teacher but I am an English speaker.


I fixed it for you.

You're not really a teacher if you don't care whether or not your students are cheating.

And please don't give me that crap that it's part of the culture here, that's just a cop out.
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zappadelta



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe teach them to properly research for a paper and cite their sources - depending on their age/level I guess.
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Dodge7



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zackback wrote:
I'm not a Korean teacher but I am an English teacher.

lol zackback was born to troll.
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Zackback



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not worth my time and effort enforcing something that very few care about.
This is my teaching style. Since I "don't know" what's going on then hey everybody wins.
Just working for my next paycheck is all. I'm not going to rock the boat.
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BigBuds



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zackback wrote:
It's not worth my time and effort enforcing something that very few care about.
This is my teaching style (you should be a comedian). Since I "don't know" what's going on then hey everybody wins.
Just working for my next paycheck is all. I'm not going to rock the boat.


Or actually teach either.
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BigBuds wrote:
Zackback wrote:
I'm not a Korean teacher but I am an English speaker.


I fixed it for you.

You're not really a teacher if you don't care whether or not your students are cheating.

And please don't give me that crap that it's part of the culture here, that's just a cop out.


You know he's a very deliberate troll, right?
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ayahyaha



Joined: 04 Apr 2011
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, I kind of agree with the troll.

I don't crack down on plagiarism very much unless I can give it some meaningful context, i.e. "If you want to study in North America, this will not be acceptable, so let's learn how to do it on your own."

Otherwise, it's just me imposing my (American/Western) standards on a group of people who don't find plagiarism to be wrong. Why would I want to do that?

If I do find that a piece of writing is plagiarized, that student gets a poor grade anyway. If they care, and ask me why, I tell them. No one has ever argued with me.

Finally, when I taught in China, most of the textbooks I was using were themselves stolen (uncited) from other sources. How am I supposed to tell my students not to copy from other sources when the textbook itself does?
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northway



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ayahyaha wrote:
Actually, I kind of agree with the troll.

I don't crack down on plagiarism very much unless I can give it some meaningful context, i.e. "If you want to study in North America, this will not be acceptable, so let's learn how to do it on your own."

Otherwise, it's just me imposing my (American/Western) standards on a group of people who don't find plagiarism to be wrong. Why would I want to do that?

If I do find that a piece of writing is plagiarized, that student gets a poor grade anyway. If they care, and ask me why, I tell them. No one has ever argued with me.

Finally, when I taught in China, most of the textbooks I was using were themselves stolen (uncited) from other sources. How am I supposed to tell my students not to copy from other sources when the textbook itself does?


Teaching always involves a fair bit of hypocrisy.
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