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Patrick Bateman
Joined: 21 Apr 2009
Location: Lost in Translation
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 Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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| fosterman wrote: |
so how hard would it be, to move an Atomic bomb( keep in mind they are small in size really, just heavy) so let's say they move it to Vladivostok and there they have a cargo plane waiting , all systems check for an incoming cargo plane to use South Korean airspace to fly over Korea on route to ohhh I don't know, Mongolia, or china, or where ever it's needed to go but to pass through Korean airspace. |
You must have slept through geography.
| fosterman wrote: |
| it's really not that difficult, if you have the resources, or even the money. it's very possible. |
Two things NK has in spades: resources and money. |
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fosterman
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Patrick Bateman wrote: |
| fosterman wrote: |
so how hard would it be, to move an Atomic bomb( keep in mind they are small in size really, just heavy) so let's say they move it to Vladivostok and there they have a cargo plane waiting , all systems check for an incoming cargo plane to use South Korean airspace to fly over Korea on route to ohhh I don't know, Mongolia, or china, or where ever it's needed to go but to pass through Korean airspace. |
You must have slept through geography.
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| it's really not that difficult, if you have the resources, or even the money. it's very possible. |
Two things NK has in spades: resources and money. |
now you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.
you know it's very possible for the Norks to drop a bomb here.
you just want to walk around with blinkers on. go ahead Pat.
you keep thinking North Korea don't have the brains, the money, or the equipment to drop one on seoul if they really want to. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| North Korea have submarines which can move undetected , we know this. |
Wrong, the sub assumed a location and waited in silence with its engines off, in an area of water with low depth and rocks, which I believe would make it harder to detect with both active and passive sonar.
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so how hard would it be, to move an Atomic bomb( keep in mind they are small in size really, just heavy) so let's say they move it to Vladivostok and there they have a cargo plane waiting , all systems check for an incoming cargo plane to use South Korean airspace to fly over Korea on route to ohhh I don't know, Mongolia, or china, or where ever it's needed to go but to pass through Korean airspace. under the flagship of ohhh I don't know, Mongolia or Russian plane. really not that hard flying out of some small dirt town in Russia. it's not incheon International ok.
once over the country. drop the bomb. KABOOM! rouge attack.
plane departed from Russia who we to blame, the Russians?
north Korea will deny it.
there are so many scenarios to off load a nuke it's not funny.
it's really not that difficult, if you have the resources, or even the money. it's very possib |
I'm actually going to agree with fosterman on this one.
To get a bomb into S.Korea during normal peacetime would not be all that difficult. Now why N.Korea would undertake such an act and put itself up for complete annihilation is beyond me, but its theoretically possible.
Now that being said, that still doesn't change the situation which is that N.Korea has way more to fear from S.Korea than S.Korea has to fear from N.Korea.
To say we are sitting ducks is just silly though. I am a sitting duck to a psycho Russian general who wants to lob a missile in a random direction. I am a sitting duck to some soldier who wants to go crazy with an assault rifle. |
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Patrick Bateman
Joined: 21 Apr 2009
Location: Lost in Translation
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| fosterman wrote: |
now you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.
you know it's very possible for the Norks to drop a bomb here.
you just want to walk around with blinkers on. go ahead Pat.
you keep thinking North Korea don't have the brains, the money, or the equipment to drop one on seoul if they really want to. |
Lol.
You're the one that continually moves the goal posts. I tried to have a more reasoned discussion, but you didn't reply to that, just the more sensationalized posts.
You're argument is there is a chance of NK not only launching a successful attack on South Korea, but that the attack will be unprovoked, in addition to being nuclear. You think there is such a high chance of this that we should be concerned/fearful. Does that summarize your stance?
Do I think that is possible? Yes, in the, I may be attacked by a bear on my way to emart kind of way. I mean, bears have attacked humans, there used to be bears in Korea, so it's possible, right?
I never said that NK lacks the brains to attack. In fact, I'm arguing they have the brains NOT to attack. Attacking would not only be without gain, it would ensure their own destruction. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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Fosterman should get a writing job at Activision.
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| To say we are sitting ducks is just silly though. I am a sitting duck to a psycho Russian general who wants to lob a missile in a random direction. I am a sitting duck to some soldier who wants to go crazy with an assault rifle. |
Guy must be living in extreme paranoia. For all I know my coworker next to be could just snap and stab me in the throat. She gave me a cookie yesterday and could've easily poisoned it. It's very possible. |
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fosterman
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:03 am Post subject: |
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| fermentation wrote: |
Fosterman should get a writing job at Activision.
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| To say we are sitting ducks is just silly though. I am a sitting duck to a psycho Russian general who wants to lob a missile in a random direction. I am a sitting duck to some soldier who wants to go crazy with an assault rifle. |
Guy must be living in extreme paranoia. For all I know my coworker next to be could just snap and stab me in the throat. She gave me a cookie yesterday and could've easily poisoned it. It's very possible. |
not at all, just saying when the chit goes down. you better be ready.LOL
we all know it's never gonna happen. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="fosterman]not at all, just saying when the chit goes down. you better be ready.LOL
we all know it's never gonna happen.[/quote]
Well, its gonna be hard to be ready for a nuke already being in seoul somewhere. It's not like you can run away in time. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| fosterman wrote: |
now you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.
you know it's very possible for the Norks to drop a bomb here.
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How? With thier B1 or B2 Bombers? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
| fosterman wrote: |
now you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.
you know it's very possible for the Norks to drop a bomb here.
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How? With thier B1 or B2 Bombers? |
Of course. They've been keeping those secret, hidden in some mountain. Right next to their death laser and their mechawarriors. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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For those arguing for NK's military capabilities:
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| Today, The Associated Press' Eric Talmadge surveys analysts who studied photos of the missiles North Korea trotted out at its recent military parade. At first blush, the missiles appeared to be new and capable of long-range attacks, but after a closer inspection, analysts doubt the missiles could even get off the ground. "The weapons displayed April 15 appear to be a mishmash of liquid-fuel and solid-fuel components that could never fly together," writes the news agency. "The metal is too thin to withstand flight. Each missile was slightly different from the others, even though all were supposedly the same make. They don't even fit the launchers they were carried on." Markus Schiller and Robert Schmucker at Germany's Schmucker Technologies say "There is no doubt that these missiles were mock-ups." David Wright, a physicist at the Union of Concerned Scientists, says the missiles are actually "clumsy representations of a missile that is being developed." |
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| First, there's North Korea's exaggerations of its technical prowess, as the breakup of its Unha-3 rocket shortly after launch demonstrated. Second, there's the country's tendency to operate on the cheap. Shortly after the Unha-3's disastrous launch, it was revealed that the effort that went into the failed rocket largely consisted of getting it a new paint job from the failed rocket it launched in 2006. We also learned that the country spent a whopping $15 on its new government website. |
Who's afraid of smoke and mirrors? |
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fosterman
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| young_clinton wrote: |
| fosterman wrote: |
now you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.
you know it's very possible for the Norks to drop a bomb here.
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How? With thier B1 or B2 Bombers? |
Of course. They've been keeping those secret, hidden in some mountain. Right next to their death laser and their mechawarriors. |
you know as well I do, a B2 bomber is not needed to drop a Little boy, |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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If they saw a plane coming from the North the S.K radar would pick it up long before it crossed the DMZ and jets or missiles could be launched to shoot it down before it crossed.
And China and Russia have nothing to gain by helping the North launch a war. They are certainly not going to let planes with atomic bombs launch an attack from their territory. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
If they saw a plane coming from the North the S.K radar would pick it up long before it crossed the DMZ and jets or missiles could be launched to shoot it down before it crossed.
And China and Russia have nothing to gain by helping the North launch a war. They are certainly not going to let planes with atomic bombs launch an attack from their territory. |
True.
While it would be relatively easy to smuggle a bomb to Russia or China and then have it flown/shipped over, the problem with that is that it would likely turn one of those two, and possibly both, into joining the US-SK alliance.
In fact any attempt to use a country as cover for such an attack would ruin NKorea diplomatically. Even having it shipped to Madagascar first and then having a cargo plane from there being used as the delivery vehicle would probably provoke China and Russia into action as such a move would mandate a unanimous UN-backed response.
I suppose it could be accomplished in a middle of the ocean transfer onto some shipping vessel. Maybe the ship thinks its smuggling drugs or stolen cars and instead a bomb.
Still everyone would know who was responsible, and such an act would still have the potential to draw in China and Russia as supporting and mobilizing for NK regime change. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Today, The Associated Press' Eric Talmadge surveys analysts who studied photos of the missiles North Korea trotted out at its recent military parade. At first blush, the missiles appeared to be new and capable of long-range attacks, but after a closer inspection, analysts doubt the missiles could even get off the ground. "The weapons displayed April 15 appear to be a mishmash of liquid-fuel and solid-fuel components that could never fly together," writes the news agency. "The metal is too thin to withstand flight. Each missile was slightly different from the others, even though all were supposedly the same make. They don't even fit the launchers they were carried on." Markus Schiller and Robert Schmucker at Germany's Schmucker Technologies say "There is no doubt that these missiles were mock-ups." David Wright, a physicist at the Union of Concerned Scientists, says the missiles are actually "clumsy representations of a missile that is being developed." |
Who's afraid of smoke and mirrors? |
Apparently most of the tech and components they used were stuff they got from the Russians in the 90s. Their indigenous tech is very limited I bet. Looking at how far South Korea's gotten in it's satellite launches, I doubt North Korea is any where near developing a working ICBM. |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:08 am Post subject: |
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6 pages of speculation, of things that are less then 0.1% likely to happen in my opinion. The current situation suits everybody involved, which is why none of the main players will make any moves to alter it.
NK's despicable regime gets to survive, US can maintain a presence in SK, SK doesn't have to worry too much (they would have to worry far, far more in the event of NK regime collapse), and China gets to keep its buffer zone. It really is a case of better the devil you know. This is why I believe any attack, missile launch, war etc is seriously unlikely to happen.
The real danger will come when the poor souls who live there eventually gather the strength and courage to rise up and start making changes themselves. Until that happens, just expect more of the same. It's quite fun to read the threats and analyse the language they use. I think I read recently that they called SK government "Bastards." And surely, "Sea of Fire" and "Sacred War" could be used as slogans somehow.  |
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