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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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 Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| mmace1 wrote: |
| Though- how do you know both groups? I mean, did you attend both? |
No, but I was in the 2nd group and it was the loudest group of any presentation I attended. |
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mmace1
Joined: 08 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| bobbybigfoot wrote: |
| At the end of the day, people want substance, not general fluff. Did your seminar provide this? |
Seminar in general - I've no idea. Our presentation...that was kinda my question.
I know group 1 liked it a lot (stayed late with questions, etc. - we kinda lost our 30 min break due to that). Group 2 I think liked it a lot less, so was hoping to hear from them actually.
I didn't go for fluff I think. One of my core points was hey - Korean co-teachers have no training/guidelines/etc. There is no ideal that exists officially, etc. So hey - you're on your own mostly. Accept it.
Then talking about how hard Korean teachers do work in general, then some basic lesson ideas, then kinda...finish. We had a fun "travel" section at the end for a bonus, but never had time for it. |
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Otherside
Joined: 06 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:32 am Post subject: |
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Hi Mark,
I was at your seminar (first group). Firstly, it's much easier for me to sit here and criticize than it is for you to stand up and deliver a seminar to ~100 teachers, most of whom are judging you. So I commend you for that.
The general consensus was that your class was far too general. There was a lot of "this is what I do with my co-teacher, but every co-teacher is different, so you probably can't do this with your co-teacher"
Secondly, you guys strongly pushed the 80/20 class time. I would like to have seen you follow that during the class. Your co-teacher, did a good job, but she was perhaps a bit intimidated, and often repeated the same points over and over. I felt you handled the seminar really well.
Another teacher suggested that it would have been quite interesting for you guys to do a sample class. Instead of telling us what to do (which as you, yourself stated, might not be applicable in our own environments), rather show us what to do.
Again, I really commend you for stepping up. |
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mmace1
Joined: 08 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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Hey thanks for the well thought out response. I'm only going to quote the bad bits (you were very nice btw, thanks), but, only the bad bits matter, so -
| Otherside wrote: |
The general consensus was that your class was far too general. There was a lot of "this is what I do with my co-teacher, but every co-teacher is different, so you probably can't do this with your co-teacher"
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Spot on. That's the #1 reason I didn't want to present actually. My summary...well this teacher and I have amazing classes that I'm suppose to explain to you but...er...not so likely you can do things like this in 99/100 scenarios.
What to say. So I went for explaining *why* Korean teachers tend to do not much in class. They are diligent people, but with no training on this. And very important, "co teacher" being a misnomer.
It's a bit of an odd scenario. Yangwe's half would have been better aimed at *Korean* teachers, but as we said - those training sessions are non-existant. Which was one of my main points actually.
| Otherside wrote: |
Secondly, you guys strongly pushed the 80/20 class time. I would like to have seen you follow that during the class. Your co-teacher, did a good job, but she was perhaps a bit intimidated, and often repeated the same points over and over. I felt you handled the seminar really well.
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You are right, she was nervous. Way more nervous in 2nd session actually though...Try to believe me when I say she is the best co-teacher ever...perhaps that is possible. I was talking in my native-language to other westerners. She was much more out of her element.
| Otherside wrote: |
Another teacher suggested that it would have been quite interesting for you guys to do a sample class. Instead of telling us what to do (which as you, yourself stated, might not be applicable in our own environments), rather show us what to do.
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Right - we had a few example lesson-parts in one section. And, if you recall - tried to do a video but...the video quality was bad (As I've said Yangwe is amazing but..on technology things...probably should not out-source to her!). I kinda forgot that.
But yes, next time (if I accept that is...only accepted this time as I like my manager so much) - next time, maybe will do a sample lesson more. |
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maximmm
Joined: 01 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| I dunno how long you have lived in Korea... but your English grammar, as written here, seems a bit like konglish... |
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Otherside
Joined: 06 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| maximmm wrote: |
| I dunno how long you have lived in Korea... but your English grammar, as written here, seems a bit like konglish... |
His spoken English was perfect. Then again, looking at my arrival date, I don't even know the difference between English and Konglish anymore, these days^^ |
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maximmm
Joined: 01 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Otherside wrote: |
| maximmm wrote: |
| I dunno how long you have lived in Korea... but your English grammar, as written here, seems a bit like konglish... |
His spoken English was perfect. Then again, looking at my arrival date, I don't even know the difference between English and Konglish anymore, these days^^ |
We must be weary of stolen identities on eslcafe-com. Conspiracy 101!^^ |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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| mmace1 wrote: |
So I went for explaining *why* Korean teachers tend to do not much in class. They are diligent people, but with no training on this. And very important, "co teacher" being a misnomer.
It's a bit of an odd scenario. Yangwe's half would have been better aimed at *Korean* teachers, but as we said - those training sessions are non-existant. Which was one of my main points actually. |
This program was established in 1995. What's the excuse? |
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