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wylies99
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i don't know if the OP is for real or just trying to create an interesting "what if..." scenario, but if it is for real may i suggest going to your boss and calmly explaining that if any of said babies come down with an uncommon illness and its mother starts talking about how she's worried it could be some strange "foreign" disease that the hagwan's enrollment would drop like a brick off the empire state building. it's aways about the bottom line. this may not only get you off hook for THE THING but could possibly result in your acquiring a reputation as a sharp thinker whose input is valued so highly that you could start charging extra consulting fees for whatever laughable black/comedic insights you come up with in the future. 
it's worked before. |
Mad cow or swine flu syndrome?
OP, kindy is a nightmare. Don't let anyone sell you on a kindy job. It's just daycare. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Your housing deposit is a perfectly legal deduction, if it is in your contract. |
oh please oh knowing one -
SHOW US ONE, JUST ONE CONTRACT WHERE THE TEACHER PAYS THE KEY MONEY FOR AN APT.
AND MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT, IF IT'S PAID TO THE LANDLORD IT'S KEY MONEY, NOT JUST A "DEPOSIT" WHICH IS A WESTERN TERM
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You need to re-read what the OP wrote.
This deposit is not "key money." Key money would usually be from 3 million to 10 million won. It is vey unlikely that the OP or any teacher would agree to have that much deducted from their salary or to allow it to happen or to conside leaving without it.
The deposit is to cover unpaid utilities and damage to the apartment in case the teacher leaves without paying. It is standard for public school contracts and many hogwans. It is usually 300,000 to 900,000 won. It is best to avoid deposits in contracts whenever possible and certainly they don't need to be more than 500,000 won, although they often are.
You can find housing deposits on contracts on nearly any page in the contract thread.
Here is a contract on the last page, (most recent page as I write this) page 88 of the contract thread:
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6. HOUSING:
6.1:The institute will provide a house to the instructor.
6.2: The instructor's apartment furnishings shall include: basic cooking utensils such as pots pans and dishes; a stove; a refrigerator; a bed with clean linen; a washing machine; and a closet, heater, table, chairs, and an air conditioner.
6.3: Costs for all utilities, including lighting, heat, and water, shall be borne by the instructor.
6.4:The institute will find a single house near the academy within one month at latest after the instructor arrives in Korea.
6.5:The institute withholds 300,000 won from the instructor's salary as a deposit. It is usually withheld in two monthly installments deducted from the instructor�s salary. The deposit is supposed to cover unpaid bills, damaged facilities or furnishings at the end of the contract. If the instructor pays all the bills and doesn't damage anything in his or her apartment, it will be given back to him or her.
6.6:The instructor will pay about 30,000won every month for the apartment maintenance fee which is used for cleaning the building stairways and other public places. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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Ontheway makes a valid point. No one has presented any convincing proof yet that it's illegal for a foreign teacher here to change diapers. If anyone can, please present it.
Even if there were, it doesn't matter whether diaper changing is illegal or not. It's not reasonable for the boss to require it of an English teacher, the OP should just say no. |
I'm quite sure that you're not supposed to have mixed daycare and hogwon. The owner might have 2 businesses, but then the teacher would need to be registered at the second place as well. But ever for Koreans, there are requirements to work in child care. If the OP has an E2 visa, then child care is not an industry that he's authorized to be working in.
I'm a bit skeptical though about whether or not we're hearing the whole story on this one. Wonderland is bad, but usually they're cheating teachers, not asking them to do stuff like change diapers. I also didn't know that they have students SO young that they're still in diapers. How old are these kids? |
The OP never said that the hogwan is running a Kindergarten, Preschool or Daycare.
The OP said that they are offering English classes for young kids.
It is perfectly legal for a hogwan to offer English classes to students of any age.
Running around screaming that this or that is illegal is a weak and failed strategy - especially when it is factually not true. Once the school owner proves that the thing is not illegal you have no more reason to refuse to do the thing you object to.
In outrageous cases, such as changing diapers, the best strategy is to just say "NO!"
Sometimes you can't hide behind the skirts of your mother or your big mommy government - You have to stand up for yourself. |
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Troglodyte
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It seems that I was wrong. You can mix a daycare and a hogwon in a single business. Still there are regulations regarding these businesses when they have very young children.
If you want to know what the law actually says about daycare and kindy hogwons then you can check out the Early Childhood Education Promotion Act. In the case of a non-kindergarten (a school not officially registered as such), they have to abide by the Child Care Act which is controlled by the Ministry of Gender Equality and Family (whereas kindergartens are governed by the Early Childhood Education Act which is controlled directly by the MOE). They CAN have students of any age, but then the requirements at the hogwon will change. The Child Care Act states that if a child is between the age of 3 and 5, then there must be a person present at the business who is a qualified child care specialist to handle all aspects of child care. At such a business (or any other that provides child care) Children under the age of 3 can only be taken care of by a child care specialist (not left in the care of a non-specialist - e.g. a regular teacher). So, unless the OP is an authorised childcare specialist then he's not allowed to change diapers as part of his job.
If you want more info on this, contact the Korea Institute of Child Care and Education.
http://www.kicce.re.kr/
Still, my main argument with the boss would be simply "No. It's not what I signed up for and it's degrading." |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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| Troglodyte wrote: |
It seems that I was wrong. You can mix a daycare and a hogwon in a single business. Still there are regulations regarding these businesses when they have very young children.
If you want to know what the law actually says about daycare and kindy hogwons then you can check out the Early Childhood Education Promotion Act. In the case of a non-kindergarten (a school not officially registered as such), they have to abide by the Child Care Act which is controlled by the Ministry of Gender Equality and Family (whereas kindergartens are governed by the Early Childhood Education Act which is controlled directly by the MOE). They CAN have students of any age, but then the requirements at the hogwon will change. The Child Care Act states that if a child is between the age of 3 and 5, then there must be a person present at the business who is a qualified child care specialist to handle all aspects of child care. At such a business (or any other that provides child care) Children under the age of 3 can only be taken care of by a child care specialist (not left in the care of a non-specialist - e.g. a regular teacher). So, unless the OP is an authorised childcare specialist then he's not allowed to change diapers as part of his job.
If you want more info on this, contact the Korea Institute of Child Care and Education.
http://www.kicce.re.kr/
Still, my main argument with the boss would be simply "No. It's not what I signed up for and it's degrading." |
Good information.
Stand your ground OP. Say no. |
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Zulethe
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OP, make sure that you get the extra-sensitive baby wipes. We wouldn't want a baby to get a rash due to you using the wrong type of baby wipes. You could potentially be setting yourself up for a serious law suit, which would go down in the annals of Dave's as the most embarrassing event in history.
aaaahahahahahahahahahahaha |
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slothrop
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Gorf
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:47 am Post subject: |
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| If you're dumb enough to sign on at Wonderland, you deserve to change diapers for a living. |
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asdfghjkl
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| If you're dumb enough to sign on at Wonderland, you deserve to change diapers for a living. |
I agree with you. How does Wonderland even continue to recruit foreigners? They haven't changed their name, and people continue to write bad things about them.
That one girl even wrote a book about it. I'd never read it though because I can always come here if I want to read about people whining about their jobs. |
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Troglodyte
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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| If you're dumb enough to sign on at Wonderland, you deserve to change diapers for a living. |
I agree with you. How does Wonderland even continue to recruit foreigners? They haven't changed their name, and people continue to write bad things about them.
That one girl even wrote a book about it. I'd never read it though because I can always come here if I want to read about people whining about their jobs. |
What's the name of the book? Or the author? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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| If you're dumb enough to sign on at Wonderland, you deserve to change diapers for a living. |
I agree with you. How does Wonderland even continue to recruit foreigners? They haven't changed their name, and people continue to write bad things about them.
That one girl even wrote a book about it. I'd never read it though because I can always come here if I want to read about people whining about their jobs. |
What's the name of the book? Or the author? |
Prisoners of Wonderland...a Google search should lend some results |
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northway
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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| If you're dumb enough to sign on at Wonderland, you deserve to change diapers for a living. |
I agree with you. How does Wonderland even continue to recruit foreigners? They haven't changed their name, and people continue to write bad things about them.
That one girl even wrote a book about it. I'd never read it though because I can always come here if I want to read about people whining about their jobs. |
A lot of people do literally zero research before finding a job. One of my former coworkers signed at Poly then after the fact was asking people on Facebook what the working conditions were like. |
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Reggie
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Thanks for the advice, guys.
They're probably hiring now since I quit. I explained to my boss that I had a vasectomy operation in order to avoid changing diapers, and I wasn't going to start changing diapers now. She said, "That just proves you're not a real adult."
They're not giving me a letter of release or refunding any of my deposit.
How long do I have to contact the Labor Board? And how long do I have to get a D10 from immi? |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| I had a vasectomy operation in order to avoid changing diapers |
LOL, that's pretty extreme. What if you babysit a family's baby? |
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plchron
Joined: 26 Feb 2011
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Call labor board now. It takes 14 days to get the ball rolling. Labor board can provide you a release letter. The release letter can be used at immigration to obtain a D10. |
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