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jondepoer



Joined: 02 May 2010

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:26 am    Post subject: UPDATE (more bad news) Reply with quote

Hey Guys,
Thanks for all the great advice and info. Update:::

She confronted the boss, recording everything, and 2 days later he registered her with pension. She gave him a letter of resignation anyway, which he immediately ripped up in front of her. Yesterday,she quit her school, and started work today for a much more highly-regarded school, and plans to do the Japan run. NOW, she gets a phone call saying that her boss is putting a black mark on her E2, or something that forbids her to get another E2. Her new boss seems worried, and she is freaking out about being deported. She has much more 'dirt' on him (no OT pay, working extra hours for taking a sick day, no breaks during a 9.5 hour day, and the late registration for med and pension), but how much pull does he have? What are her options??
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ghostrider



Joined: 27 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:24 am    Post subject: Re: UPDATE (more bad news) Reply with quote

jondepoer wrote:
Hey Guys,
Thanks for all the great advice and info. Update:::

She confronted the boss, recording everything, and 2 days later he registered her with pension. She gave him a letter of resignation anyway, which he immediately ripped up in front of her. Yesterday,she quit her school, and started work today for a much more highly-regarded school, and plans to do the Japan run. NOW, she gets a phone call saying that her boss is putting a black mark on her E2, or something that forbids her to get another E2. Her new boss seems worried, and she is freaking out about being deported. She has much more 'dirt' on him (no OT pay, working extra hours for taking a sick day, no breaks during a 9.5 hour day, and the late registration for med and pension), but how much pull does he have? What are her options??

It's up to the immigration office that reviews her application for another visa and hears the complaints of her former boss. Regulations here are less set in stone that they are back home. She shouldn't worry about getting deported if she hasn't broken any laws. Quitting your job is not illegal. She only has two weeks to leave Korea or she could switch to a 6 month D-10 (looking for work) visa. You can usually only get a D-10 visa if your contract has expired or you have a letter of release. However, I've heard immigration will grant you one if you can show that the labor board is investigating a complaint you've made against your employer.
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:43 am    Post subject: Re: UPDATE (more bad news) Reply with quote

jondepoer wrote:
Hey Guys,
Yesterday,she quit her school, and started work today for a much more highly-regarded school, and plans to do the Japan run.

That doesnt add up, legally.
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jondepoer



Joined: 02 May 2010

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

She found another school that wanted to hire her, and gave her boss the resignation letter (after verbally resigning a week ago), in which he ripped up in front of her. There is a 15- day window you can work before notifying immigration, in where she is getting new docs and then going to Japan. Yes, her contract probably says 2 weeks or 1 month notice is required, but is this likely to have repercussions after all the illegal stuff the boss has been doing? (Teachers working there for up to 10 months without being registered for medical and pension despite paying for it.)
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Troglodyte



Joined: 06 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a preemptive measure, she should report him to the labor board. If she had done that before quitting she could have much more easily just transferred her visa without going to Japan. She could probably try it now but since she's already quit i don't think they'll let her transfer.

Note that if she plans on doing a visa run to Japan for a new E2 visa, then legally she's not allowed to be working until she gets the visa. Legally anyway. So she should keep quiet and not tell her friends or co-workers about what she's doing until after she has the new visa (and even then it's better to just not mention it).

I don't really see what her boss can do to stop her getting a new visa. It's not illegal to quit. It's not even illegal to quit without advanced notice. It's possible that there is some kind of clause in her contract that stipulates some kind of penalty if she doesn't give notice, but I'm not sure even sure if it would hold up in court. It definitely wouldn't keep her from getting a new visa. Immigration might tell the new school that she left the job early, but if they already know, it's no big deal. All the same, she should report her boss to the labor board. It helps ensure that he doesn't try to make problems for her.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:37 am    Post subject: Re: UPDATE (more bad news) Reply with quote

jondepoer wrote:
Hey Guys,
Thanks for all the great advice and info. Update:::

She confronted the boss, recording everything, and 2 days later he registered her with pension. She gave him a letter of resignation anyway, which he immediately ripped up in front of her. Yesterday,she quit her school, and started work today for a much more highly-regarded school, and plans to do the Japan run. NOW, she gets a phone call saying that her boss is putting a black mark on her E2, or something that forbids her to get another E2. Her new boss seems worried, and she is freaking out about being deported. She has much more 'dirt' on him (no OT pay, working extra hours for taking a sick day, no breaks during a 9.5 hour day, and the late registration for med and pension), but how much pull does he have? What are her options??


Her options are to do the visa run and ignore the idle threats from the old boss
or
worry herself into a tizzy and do a visa run, ignore the idle threats and get on with her new job.

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jondepoer



Joined: 02 May 2010

PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another update:

After spending Friday at immigration with her new employer, she was updated on her current status:

The old boss called immi and complained enough about her (making most of it up, obviously, as she has done nothing contractually wrong), so much so that he first cancelled the visa, but also blacklisted her!! She is unable to get another E2 for a year, as well as being unable to enter the country as a tourist for a year.

Is this even legal/possible?! I've advised her to contact legal services, but she only has 1.5 weeks left in the country before being deported. I never thought a simple situation of quitting her job would come to this... I'm beyond words.

Has anyone else heard of this kind of disaster??
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YTMND



Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!

PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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She is unable to get another E2 for a year, as well as being unable to enter the country as a tourist for a year.


Who said this hogwash? There is a 10% chance she will have problems getting an E2. Saying tourist also means it must have come from the previous hagwon. NOT TRUE.

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she only has 1.5 weeks left in the country before being deported.


Who said this hogwash? She has several options: 1) change the current visa to a tourist one which only gives 30 days I think, 2) change to D10 which would put the E2 ban for a year claim to shame, 3) leave the country as stated because that is what would happen if she does nothing

She has options. The first school is just scaring her.
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plchron



Joined: 26 Feb 2011
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

She can sue her boss for defamation, get a G1 visa, and proceed with or drop the charges later. The boss is not able to blacklist anyone (maybe he has a family member in immigration), Since she has not been charged with a crime, she is not going to be denied a tourist visa. Whoever told her this is BSing her.
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ghostrider



Joined: 27 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

She could try reporting her boss to the labor board for not paying her. She can do it online:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=219464

Immigration may allow her to stay longer in order to resolve the issue, and a labor board ruling in her favor will likely make it easier for her to get another E-2 visa.
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jondepoer



Joined: 02 May 2010

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the info. I know that what he is doing is wrong and illegal, but she is getting absolutely nowhere at immi, or the labor board. She went to Seoul immi yesterday, got told no to everything (tourist, d10, e2), and then sat there until they walked away from her.

She then went to the labor board in Incheon (the school is in Incheon), and with a phone translator, the woman said there was nothing they could do for her there either. She even spoke to the persecutor, who said that since she hasn't been here for over 6 months, they can't help her.

I know what she is being told is a line, I can't be there to help her (I have to work), and I know she is getting really depressed over this. Is there a 'key word' or someone she can call that will bring about the truth?
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jondepoer wrote:
Another update:

After spending Friday at immigration with her new employer, she was updated on her current status:

The old boss called immi and complained enough about her (making most of it up, obviously, as she has done nothing contractually wrong), so much so that he first cancelled the visa, but also blacklisted her!! She is unable to get another E2 for a year, as well as being unable to enter the country as a tourist for a year.

Is this even legal/possible?! I've advised her to contact legal services, but she only has 1.5 weeks left in the country before being deported. I never thought a simple situation of quitting her job would come to this... I'm beyond words.

Has anyone else heard of this kind of disaster??


jondepoer wrote:

Thanks for the info. I know that what he is doing is wrong and illegal, but she is getting absolutely nowhere at immi, or the labor board. She went to Seoul immi yesterday, got told no to everything (tourist, d10, e2), and then sat there until they walked away from her.

She then went to the labor board in Incheon (the school is in Incheon), and with a phone translator, the woman said there was nothing they could do for her there either. She even spoke to the persecutor, who said that since she hasn't been here for over 6 months, they can't help her.

I know what she is being told is a line, I can't be there to help her (I have to work), and I know she is getting really depressed over this. Is there a 'key word' or someone she can call that will bring about the truth?


When an E2 teacher adds a new workplace, they can begin work right away and then add the new workplace to their ARC by going to Immigration within 2 weeks.

When an E2 teacher completes a contract and begins work at a new school or when released from a contract and changing to a new school with a letter of release, they can begin work right away and report to Immi to file the paperwork and update their ARC within two weeks.

However, when running away from a school you cannot just start work at a new school and then go to Immigration. It sounds like this is what happened.

It sounds like your friend is not being blacklisted by her old school. She is being blocked for one year by Immigration for violation of Immigration rules.
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