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missty



Joined: 19 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, your recruiter sounds terrible. I've never really had that problem at all. No one has ever told me that my accent sounds bad or that they can't understand me. Admittedly my British accent is very neutral, and after years and years abroad I have slowed it down a lot.

Find another recruiter and don't think about it too much. I always think that if someone tells me that then I kind of wouldn't want to work for them anyway. It helps you weed out the schools.

In fact, my previous school were thrilled that I was British because I could teach the students both American and British English. It can get you down when you read job ads that only want Canadians/Americans, but after a while its just like water off a duck's back.
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luckylady



Joined: 30 Jan 2012
Location: u.s. of occupied territories

PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

edwardcatflap wrote:
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there is definitely a need for IELTS testers/testing so you might look into that


Actually, as IELTS stands for the international English language testing system, you don�t need to be a particular nationality to become an examiner. You do need pretty good qualifications/experience however.


duh Confused it's administered by the British Council generally for foreign students applying to UK unis - here in the U.S. (elsewhere? donno) they take the TOEFL exam.
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luckylady



Joined: 30 Jan 2012
Location: u.s. of occupied territories

PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alistaircandlin wrote:
lol. luckylady - I guess when you are drooling you are thinking of guys like Hugh Grant. who speak with received pronunciation, but only about 3 or 4% of Brits actually talk like that. With most of us, from darkest Lancashire, like me, or the wrong side of Liverpool, the reality is sadly different.

Not too disillusion you though: you never know, Prince Harry will be looking to get hitched soon. You might get lucky!

Smile


Hugh Grant? is he even straight? I always thought he looked, well, not straight...

now, Colin Firth, Clive Owen, Aidan Quinn (because an Irish accent is even better), Daniel Craig....those are some hotties Laughing

but seriously, have worked with Brits and other UK nationals in international depts before Korea and it's always the same, all across the U.S., American women swoon over a British accent - and yes, Irish, Scottish, all of them. we don't really care about the various differences you all speak of within them, don't think we can really tell the difference -


omg did I actually leave out Sean Connery and Liam Neeson?!
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byrddogs



Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's too bad that my school requires in-person interviews and demo lessons to be considered. We have 3 Brits on staff. One from the north (not sure of the town-she had spent a good deal of time in Scotland as well), one from the midlands (near Birmingham), and one from Oxford. They all have considerably different accents. Each of them is a great person and seems to be good at teaching English as well. Btw, I'm one of only 2 from the States, so our school has no discrimination in that regard. I guess things are different at my type of school. It is in China, but it is a K-12 Korean school. So, there you go.

Yes, tell recruiters like that dude to F off. It's too bad that recruiters are necessary sometimes. Keep plugging away and don't get too discouraged. Good luck!
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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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duh it's administered by the British Council generally for foreign students applying to UK unis - here in the U.S. (elsewhere? donno) they take the TOEFL exam


I actually am an IELTS examiner and about a third of the people I examine with are from Canada or the US. It's also administered by IDP (Australian) in Korea and according to the internet over 3,000 US institutions accept it as proof of English ability.
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zombiedog



Joined: 03 Oct 2011

PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There shouldn't be, but in some places in Korea there is blatant discrimination against any accent that's not American. But there's also a TON of people teaching here who don't have North American English accents.

Lucky for me, I'm from the States...At least there are some perks for being part of the Empire! Wink
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Martin_Brez



Joined: 26 Apr 2012
Location: England

PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the encouraging responses everyone!

It's certainly given me a lot to think about.

Although I am from Nottingham, I certainly do not pronounce words that end in "ie", "y" or "ey" with "eh". For example,

Mon-eh (Money)

Destin-eh (Destiny)

Meh (Me)

Thanks,

Brez
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Malislamusrex



Joined: 01 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

3 private classes I teach with some big hitters specifically want a English speaking accent.
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luckylady



Joined: 30 Jan 2012
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

edwardcatflap wrote:
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duh it's administered by the British Council generally for foreign students applying to UK unis - here in the U.S. (elsewhere? donno) they take the TOEFL exam


I actually am an IELTS examiner and about a third of the people I examine with are from Canada or the US. It's also administered by IDP (Australian) in Korea and according to the internet over 3,000 US institutions accept it as proof of English ability.



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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 8:24 am�� �Post subject:
edwardcatflap wrote:
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duh it's administered by the British Council generally for foreign students applying to UK unis - here in the U.S. (elsewhere? donno) they take the TOEFL exam


I actually am an IELTS examiner and about a third of the people I examine with are from Canada or the US. It's also administered by IDP (Australian) in Korea and according to the internet over 3,000 US institutions accept it as proof of English ability.






Hey I know more about the IELTS test than you. I was providing useful information to the op who I thought you gave misleading information to. After you implied I was stupid (duh) I didn't have a go at you. I just told you what I know. I'm not sure about how many places in the US accept IELTS that's why I said I got the information from the Internet. Which, I assume from the three smiles, you find amusing. Don't know why. I think the information came from the iELTS website, which should know about these things but maybe you know better. Normal procedure would be to apologise for implying I was stupid about non British people being able to be examiners. Which was what my original post was about.
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luckylady



Joined: 30 Jan 2012
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

edwardcatflap wrote:
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 8:24 am�� �Post subject:
edwardcatflap wrote:
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duh it's administered by the British Council generally for foreign students applying to UK unis - here in the U.S. (elsewhere? donno) they take the TOEFL exam


I actually am an IELTS examiner and about a third of the people I examine with are from Canada or the US. It's also administered by IDP (Australian) in Korea and according to the internet over 3,000 US institutions accept it as proof of English ability.






Hey I know more about the IELTS test than you. I was providing useful information to the op who I thought you gave misleading information to. After you implied I was stupid (duh) I didn't have a go at you. I just told you what I know. I'm not sure about how many places in the US accept IELTS that's why I said I got the information from the Internet. Which, I assume from the three smiles, you find amusing. Don't know why. I think the information came from the iELTS website, which should know about these things but maybe you know better. Normal procedure would be to apologise for implying I was stupid about non British people being able to be examiners. Which was what my original post was about.




wow got your panties all in a bunch now huh??

face it, you never wanted to help the op, else you wouldn't have piped up in the first place - I suggested the IELTS because he's from the UK and looking for employment teaching ESL, and that's also an option - you opined in as if it wasn't truly an option - which it most certainly is - and then went on a rant about the IELTS in general - with mostly silly stuff, as you still are doing.

take a chill pill already and then go look for your sense of humor, which I think you lost (if you even had one to begin with)

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The Sultan of Seoul



Joined: 17 Apr 2012
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Might have already been said, but I am English and never had a problem landing good jobs in Korea because of it. It was an issue back in the early 2000's, Americans were definately first choice back then and companies would try and pay Brits less using the accent as an excuse (really), but not these days. I am a southerner though with a very neutral accent, but still met scots, Irish etc whom had good teaching jobs. I think being friendly and easy to get along with goes much further than accents these days. A bubbly, easy going personality is the big draw these days and will go a long, long way.
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Martin_Brez



Joined: 26 Apr 2012
Location: England

PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

Just to let everyone know that I have been offered a job in Korea. I had an interview last week and almost immediately I was informed that I was successful. Going to post my docs off tomorrow!

The school is ILS, Bucheon and they want me to start in August.

Thanks for all your kind words everyone.

Brez
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leicsmac



Joined: 07 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well done Brez - as a fellow Englishman it's not too bad out here.

Not a Forest fan are you? Wink
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sojusucks



Joined: 31 May 2008

PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 12:44 am    Post subject: Re: Getting a Job and Being English Reply with quote

Martin_Brez wrote:
Hi,
A lot of recruiters and schools I have spoken to so far have picked up on my accent straightaway.


The first thing you should realize is that being successful in Korea is all about edutainment. Appearances here are far more important than instructional quality. It is also a place where a lot of new teachers are broken in. You have to consider if this is a place that will match your teaching aspirations. It sounds as though you may be disappointed. Taiwan may be a more serious place for you and many experienced teachers go to Ecuador and other South American locations. Good luck!
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