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FaceFaceFace
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| Now, you know it's up to you whether or not you want to just do the bare minimum. Or uh...well, like Brian, for example, has thirty seven pieces of flair, okay. And a terrific smile. |
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greatunknown
Joined: 04 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:16 am Post subject: |
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The Office.. Excellent movie.
Okay so I went into my bosses office today and asked him if there was anything we needed to discuss (assertively, fully expecting the worst). He said something exactly like "Promise me you will work hard, I will be watching you closely for 2 or 3 weeks."
I gave him my word, shook his hand, and went about my day.
Am I wrong to assume I am being given another (final) chance?
If he didn't "own" my work visa I would have preferred to tell him that I wanted to quit.
I am not that concerned about losing my contract completion bonus or airfare. But if I quit I must get a release letter correct? I have to stay in country. Leaving for a few months is not an option I can entertain
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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| But if I quit I must get a release letter correct? |
You could look into a D-10 visa. I don't know how easy it is to get one. Perhaps, when you change it back to an E-2 after you find a new school you won't need a release letter. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| greatunknown wrote: |
| "Promise me you will work hard, I will be watching you closely for 2 or 3 weeks." |
Translation: You will be fired in two or three weeks. |
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Maserial
Joined: 31 Jul 2005
Location: The Web
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| greatunknown wrote: |
| "Promise me you will work hard, I will be watching you closely for 2 or 3 weeks." |
I felt motivated just reading that. |
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curlyhoward
Joined: 03 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:41 am Post subject: |
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| You have one foot on the banana peel and the other in the grave. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:17 am Post subject: |
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| ^ Exactly right. If you have any funds at all saved, you should simply just bail. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:37 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| greatunknown wrote: |
| "Promise me you will work hard, I will be watching you closely for 2 or 3 weeks." |
Translation: You will be fired in two or three weeks. |
Exactly right.
You were assertive. If he's like the typical male boss here, that's just one more reason he'll be wanting to get rid of you. But hopefully it felt good. Might as well go out with some pride.
For the next two or three weeks, just focus on doing well with the students and making them happy, but as far as the boss goes it's pretty much a done deal already. |
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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:05 am Post subject: |
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| Mix1 wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
| greatunknown wrote: |
| "Promise me you will work hard, I will be watching you closely for 2 or 3 weeks." |
Translation: You will be fired in two or three weeks. |
Exactly right.
You were assertive. If he's like the typical male boss here, that's just one more reason he'll be wanting to get rid of you. But hopefully it felt good. Might as well go out with some pride.
For the next two or three weeks, just focus on doing well with the students and making them happy, but as far as the boss goes it's pretty much a done deal already. |
For the next 2 or 3 weeks, focus on getting another copy of your documents.
If he does fire you, THEN you might try to switch to a D10 visa. But it's not a guarantee you'll get it. But if you have all your documents ready, you'll have half a dozen job offers within the first week of job hunting. If you tell the recruiter that you want to start ASAP, they'll find you a place that needs a teacher immediately. Basically, you'll hang out at a cheap hostel/yokwon or whatever for week or two and then you'll be working again. |
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greatunknown
Joined: 04 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:38 am Post subject: |
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| Troglodyte wrote: |
| Mix1 wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
| greatunknown wrote: |
| "Promise me you will work hard, I will be watching you closely for 2 or 3 weeks." |
Translation: You will be fired in two or three weeks. |
Exactly right.
You were assertive. If he's like the typical male boss here, that's just one more reason he'll be wanting to get rid of you. But hopefully it felt good. Might as well go out with some pride.
For the next two or three weeks, just focus on doing well with the students and making them happy, but as far as the boss goes it's pretty much a done deal already. |
For the next 2 or 3 weeks, focus on getting another copy of your documents.
If he does fire you, THEN you might try to switch to a D10 visa. But it's not a guarantee you'll get it. But if you have all your documents ready, you'll have half a dozen job offers within the first week of job hunting. If you tell the recruiter that you want to start ASAP, they'll find you a place that needs a teacher immediately. Basically, you'll hang out at a cheap hostel/yokwon or whatever for week or two and then you'll be working again. |
Under what circumstance would I be denied a D-10? Would a release letter help? |
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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:27 am Post subject: |
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| greatunknown wrote: |
| Troglodyte wrote: |
| Mix1 wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
| greatunknown wrote: |
| "Promise me you will work hard, I will be watching you closely for 2 or 3 weeks." |
Translation: You will be fired in two or three weeks. |
Exactly right.
You were assertive. If he's like the typical male boss here, that's just one more reason he'll be wanting to get rid of you. But hopefully it felt good. Might as well go out with some pride.
For the next two or three weeks, just focus on doing well with the students and making them happy, but as far as the boss goes it's pretty much a done deal already. |
For the next 2 or 3 weeks, focus on getting another copy of your documents.
If he does fire you, THEN you might try to switch to a D10 visa. But it's not a guarantee you'll get it. But if you have all your documents ready, you'll have half a dozen job offers within the first week of job hunting. If you tell the recruiter that you want to start ASAP, they'll find you a place that needs a teacher immediately. Basically, you'll hang out at a cheap hostel/yokwon or whatever for week or two and then you'll be working again. |
Under what circumstance would I be denied a D-10? Would a release letter help? |
I don't think that it's really so clear and defined. I think if you are fired you can ask for it but someone will review your case on an individual basis. Someone at immigration will determine whether or not you can get a D10. If you were simply fired and the boss had good reason and fired you in accordance with your contract and not in the 11th month, then it might go either way (as is the situation with a lot of matter related to immigration). I've heard of plenty of people getting a D10 after being fired, but the only people that I've personally met who got a D-10 got it because their boss did something illegal like not paying them, firing them without notice, not paying taxes.
Your boss has to give you notice and he can't fire you during the 11th month. That's why you should try to hold out a little longer and refuse to sign anything. If anyone asks, deny any knowledge that the boss was displeased with you or that he warned you. Definitely don't talk about it on the phone (a lot of phones can record the conversation). It doesn't mean that he won't fire you, but it will at least look better for you when you ask for a D10. If he fires you without notice, he's broken the law and it's a lot easier for you to switch jobs without new documents.
BUT.... this is Korea and things don't always go by the book. That's why i suggested that you use your time to get a new set of documents ready just in case. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| It's none of your bosses damn business if you smoke. Just don't do it at work in front of the kids on breaks or anything like that. If you drink, go lightly on weekdays. You know your own limits. But without any written warnings. How can he prove he has spoken to you about anything? Did that one thing you signed specifically mention anything about performance or just that you agree to make more power points? Can he legally fire you for not making power points? You taught with other methods and he never specifically spoke to you about any teaching methods. He asked you to make more power points and you agreed to. But there is nothing to admit to. Don't admit anything. Don't sign anything else. If there was a problem with your work, why didn't the boss say something sooner? When he says he did, you aks him for the documented proof? Where are the signed written warnings? He won't have a leg to stand on. He is appearing to do it in the 10th or 11th month to get out of paying severance or flight. File with the labor board, change your visa, and move on to a new job. If he fires you, remind of these points. Maybe, you can get partial severance and a letter of release. In other words negotiate with him or go to labor board. But, otherwise, move on. |
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greatunknown
Joined: 04 Feb 2010
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UPDATE
I am a few day's in to my 10'th month (When I originally posted I was actually only 8 months into my contract). I have not had any more negative interactions with my boss. I have asked to have a meeting with him about "my future in Korea". I am certain he expects me to beg for another year. But I feel like I am ready to move on to a new opportunity. I am much less worried about getting fired than In was in my original post.
I need to get a signed copy of my contract, I need to know when my last day will be and, how much will I get paid when I finish and, when do I have to move out. I am also not sure what to ask for in regards to airfare home.
Can any of you give me advice on how I should approach discussing these things with him? Keep in mind his English isn't the best. My plan is to be very straight forward and assertive.
I am still not 100% sure what I will do in 2 months when my contract is finished. I am considering either touring Asia, going home and vacationing in the Caribbean or staying another year and teaching some more. Should I ask for return airfare or a cash bonus? Ideally, I think accepting two thirds of the cost of a return ticket would work for me. But is it acceptable to ask for that if there is a chance I will remain in Korea and look for work at another school? If he isn't okay with giving me the money I would take the ticket and use some of my savings to pay for a vacation in the Caribbean.
Thank you, any advice appreciated |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 9:25 am Post subject: |
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| Your timeline for future events is off. He's going to can you during the 11th month of your contract. |
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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 10:16 am Post subject: |
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Don't ask him for a copy of the contract because then he will know that you don't have one. He can give you any new contract he wants to.
Go to immigration and ask the for a copy of it. |
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