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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Must be nice. lol I'm always around 21 or 22 hourse per week. Have been for the past couple of years. I'm in a bigger city. I figured Seoul area schools would have the same strictness. But, I'm use to it now. Though in the beginning, when I lived in a rural area, I was more like 18 hours a week and lots of extra time off. It was a buzz killer when I first moved to this bigger city, but am well adapted to it as part of my routine, I guess. I would say people here (Koreans) are much friendlier here than in my old country town. (Less hostility and shades of xenophobia, I guess.) |
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Alphonsus Jr.
Joined: 04 May 2012 Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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Just wondering if the OP has found the main resource site for Korean teachers that will give them even more free time.  |
Intriguing. What is it? |
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The Sultan of Seoul
Joined: 17 Apr 2012 Location: right... behind.. YOU
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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It's true. I actually left working for public schools for a hakwan for more stimulation and challenge. Was weird, had a 20 forty min classes a week schedule, 5 room apt, good salary and security and left it all for a hakwan job and one rooom. After 3 years just felt so institutionalised and bored.
Funny. I remember when I got my first ps job after working at hakwans and would then post about how awesome it was in comparison to a hakwan job. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 7:11 pm Post subject: Re: Public school is ridiculously easy |
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A week in and this is still ridiculously easy. I've already planned my lessons for next week. I only have to plan two lessons a week, teach them over and over again, and no one cares what I do as long as I do that. I can't believe I'm getting paid for this. I would do it for years to save up 100,000 dollars to go home with if I wasn't scared of my brain rotting.
Why did I EVER work at a hagwon?!
Is everyone else's public school job this easy? AND I'm working 4 classes overtime per week. |
Isn't the public school circuit great!! You sit in a nice chair like a potato looking at the computer and waiting to get your daily decent lunch. This is after spending a few uneventful hours with the co-teacher who has you do a little bit of work in the classes after teaching it mostly herself. On weekends you run early in the morning to the bus terminal to catch the 7:00 AM bus to Seoul.  |
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Tyshine
Joined: 04 Apr 2011
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: Public school is ridiculously easy |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
| thebektionary wrote: |
A week in and this is still ridiculously easy. I've already planned my lessons for next week. I only have to plan two lessons a week, teach them over and over again, and no one cares what I do as long as I do that. I can't believe I'm getting paid for this. I would do it for years to save up 100,000 dollars to go home with if I wasn't scared of my brain rotting.
Why did I EVER work at a hagwon?!
Is everyone else's public school job this easy? AND I'm working 4 classes overtime per week. |
Isn't the public school circuit great!! You sit in a nice chair like a potato looking at the computer and waiting to get your daily decent lunch. This is after spending a few uneventful hours with the co-teacher who has you do a little bit of work in the classes after teaching it mostly herself. On weekends you run early in the morning to the bus terminal to catch the 7:00 AM bus to Seoul.  |
Easy does not equal great. I have a bunch of lifeless high schoolers. I am so bored and am tired of trying to keep them awake with their text book. I have the ideal spot for someone else (big city albiet on the outskirts, great coteachers who only assist what you do, and a nice apartment with a great landlord, and a good school). |
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Modernist
Joined: 23 Mar 2011 Location: The 90s
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah. No kidding.
I probably have one of the easiest PS gigs you could find. Don't even make it to 22 hours any week. Half of what classes I do have are straight from the textbook [I do what I can to go beyond that with activities, but I get yelled at if the students don't grind through each chapter, page by page]. The other half are primarily taught by one of my CTs and I hardly do anything at all except try not to look too bored. I've never made a lesson plan since I've been here. I have literally hours every day when no one cares what I do as long as I'm not bothering them.
My schools are small and rural and don't seem to care very much about anything. English is no one's priority. My main wrangler is an old guy who hardly speaks any English and seems to just be punching the clock until retirement.
I have a short commute and a well-located apartment and the kids are by and large cool. But, God, it is so dull. I can't believe how dull it is, actually. Considering what I make for so little work, I have considered extending again, but I also don't know how much more of this I can stand. |
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Alphonsus Jr.
Joined: 04 May 2012 Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 8:47 am Post subject: |
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My goodness. Look at these lamentations from those who have it too easy. How is it that they have no intellectual life to fill those empty spaces? Give me a job like Modernist and the others describe, and I'd be studying theology, philosophy, history, and languages during those hours and beyond. There wouldn't be a dull moment. I'm reminded of the line by G.K. Chesterton that goes something like this: "Only the boring become bored."
This world is an astonishing place. And each individual soul is a universe unto itself. How is it that they don't see this? Socrates, via Plato, something like this: "Wonder is the feeling of the philosopher, and philosophy begins in wonder." Only a very few can truly be philosophers, but still, do they have none of this wonder?
Edit: It just occurred to me that many simply don't know what to read. They don't know how to sift the gold from the dross. They need to read this:
http://www.amazon.com/Another-Sort-Learning-James-Schall/dp/089870183X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1336495879&sr=8-1
& this:
http://www.amazon.com/Guide-Perplexed-E-F-Schumacher/dp/0060906111/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1336495913&sr=1-1
Don't let the unforunate covers of these books fool you. They're gold. |
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bobbybigfoot
Joined: 05 May 2007 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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Here's my take:
There are great public school gigs and great hagwon gigs.
And there are awful public school gigs and awful hagwon gigs.
Work to make yourself a better teacher -- a great one -- and then through fortitude or luck, get yourself into one of those great positions and stay put for awhile.
But don't become complacent. You should always be trying to improve. |
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dsun1226
Joined: 27 May 2010 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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Here's my take:
There are great public school gigs and great hagwon gigs.
And there are awful public school gigs and awful hagwon gigs.
Work to make yourself a better teacher -- a great one -- and then through fortitude or luck, get yourself into one of those great positions and stay put for awhile.
But don't become complacent. You should always be trying to improve. |
+1. My last preference in my EPIK/SMOE application was middle school and I got placed in one of the poorer performing middle schools in Seoul but it was a blessing in disguise. It gave me a chance to refine my classroom management skills and most of the other teachers have been nothing but nice to me. |
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The Sultan of Seoul
Joined: 17 Apr 2012 Location: right... behind.. YOU
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Alphonso - the traffic at sentry low at the moment huh?
As soemone who loves reading myself, it still is not something I want to do 24 hrs a day.
Some of us prefer to ingest smaller ammounts and really chew it over rather than just get blanket coverage and not really ingest it. Kind of like prefering some sashimi and miso to an all you can eat buffet of fries and hamburger.
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Tyshine
Joined: 04 Apr 2011
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Alphonsus Jr. wrote: |
My goodness. Look at these lamentations from those who have it too easy. How is it that they have no intellectual life to fill those empty spaces? Give me a job like Modernist and the others describe, and I'd be studying theology, philosophy, history, and languages during those hours and beyond. There wouldn't be a dull moment. I'm reminded of the line by G.K. Chesterton that goes something like this: "Only the boring become bored."
This world is an astonishing place. And each individual soul is a universe unto itself. How is it that they don't see this? Socrates, via Plato, something like this: "Wonder is the feeling of the philosopher, and philosophy begins in wonder." Only a very few can truly be philosophers, but still, do they have none of this wonder?
Edit: It just occurred to me that many simply don't know what to read. They don't know how to sift the gold from the dross. They need to read this:
http://www.amazon.com/Another-Sort-Learning-James-Schall/dp/089870183X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1336495879&sr=8-1
& this:
http://www.amazon.com/Guide-Perplexed-E-F-Schumacher/dp/0060906111/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1336495913&sr=1-1
Don't let the unforunate covers of these books fool you. They're gold. |
I get that we are complaining and that things can be worse. However, things can be better. Its not my free time I am worried about, but my time at my job. I want something better.
As far as your statement only the boring become bored, or there would never be a dull moment. I would like to argue your job, and planning lessons from the text book will be full of dull moments. Have fun with my kids whose responses to questions will be in this order
1. Blank stare
2. "no"
3. "Nothing"
4. "You are very handsome" (Thanks but I was asking how was lunch). |
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3DR
Joined: 24 May 2009
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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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Last year hagwon:
- 30 hours a week
- 50 minute break each day
- Monday meeting for 2 hours everyday
- Parents complaining
- 5 days of vacation
- 3 sick days
- Horribly behaved students
- 2-10pm (not time for activities during the week)
This year Public all boys middle school:
- 20-22 hours a week
- 8:30-4:30 with time to meet friends after work
- 18 days vacation
- Random days of cancelled classes
- Kids are better behaved than my hagwon (I was surprised)
- Only need to make 2-4 lesson plans per week
- Only had to teach an hour and a half of camp the past two weeks
Now I can get ready to enjoy my 2 weeks of vacation while last year I would be getting ready for another week at the crapwon. |
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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Alphonsus Jr. wrote: |
| My goodness. Look at these lamentations from those who have it too easy. How is it that they have no intellectual life to fill those empty spaces? Give me a job like Modernist and the others describe, and I'd be studying theology, philosophy, history, and languages during those hours and beyond. There wouldn't be a dull moment. |
Well said. This is exactly what I like about this line of work. As a new parent I have scant time at home, and yet, because of my free time at work I am able to study three languages, read a reasonable amount (modern technology allowing us to carry around small libraries in our pockets is fabulous), compose my thoughts, and even take part in a little thoughtful discussion. Perhaps that is the real problem with such a job: it allows so much personal development time that, if I had to instead work a solid 40 a week, I would feel deprived.
As far as the actual classes being dull, that comes half down to luck of the draw regarding student quality, and half down to one's own lessons. I for one generally have some fun with my students, and although there are occasional bad days, I never get the blank stare, and most participate reasonably. |
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