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lhasa



Joined: 26 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 11:29 pm    Post subject: Canada CRC not RCMP Reply with quote

Anyone have an official link stating that a criminal check using the "national repository for criminal records in Canada" is valid and not only ones issued by the RCMP?

I have a CRC issued by a Canadian city's police department that says it uses the national database but a recruiter is telling me that it's not valid.

Closest thing I could find is this but it's not specific enough:

http://www.hikorea.go.kr/pt/InfoDetailR_en.pt?categoryId=2&parentId=382&catSeq=385&showMenuId=374

Thank you
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OBwannabe



Joined: 16 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope that's not the case. I went into the local police office a couple weeks ago and specifically asked if their CBC was a nation-wide database search or just provincial. The cop looked at my as though I was stupid and then said it was nation-wide. Good ol'Calgary cops for ya. Pleasant bunch.
Anyway, should be in the mail in the next couple weeks. I sure hope it's sufficient. I really want out of this place bad!
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ajp



Joined: 09 May 2007

PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just had a CRC from a local police station stamped by the Korean embassy last week. They said it was ok. Remember you don't need the one for "vulnerable sectors" or whatever.. that one takes awhile, whereas the one I got was produced on the spot.

Try the websites for the different Korean consulates in Canada if you need a link.. I remember one of them saying a local police check was OK as long as it searched the nationwide database.
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OBwannabe



Joined: 16 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajp wrote:
I just had a CRC from a local police station stamped by the Korean embassy last week. They said it was ok. Remember you don't need the one for "vulnerable sectors" or whatever.. that one takes awhile, whereas the one I got was produced on the spot.

Try the websites for the different Korean consulates in Canada if you need a link.. I remember one of them saying a local police check was OK as long as it searched the nationwide database.


Where did you get your CRC done? A few years ago I had one done in my hometown (small place) and they gave me one on the spot as well. Now, in Calgary, I have to wait a month for it to come in the mail. So tired of Canadian beauractic bulls@$%. Can't wait to be back in Korea. For good!
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lhasa



Joined: 26 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This might help:

http://can-ottawa.mofat.go.kr/english/am/can-ottawa/visa/categories/index.jsp

Their website doesn't link the exact page. Go to page 2 of 4 and look under E2.

"Criminal Record Search Certificate (Original must be issued within the last 6 months by RCMP, OPP, or Municipal Police in ON)"
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lhasa



Joined: 26 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

" NOTE: All police checks now MUST be RCMP fingerprint-verified checks. Previously local or provincial searches were adequate, however recent changes to documents required by Minitry of Education offices require RCMP checks only. "

from: http://www.teachingoverseas.ca/index/index/id/147/eq/6/?C=10


Anyone know if they're correct?
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dbtm



Joined: 24 Sep 2010
Location: ottawa

PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In February 2011 (after the new regulations) I got a E2 visa from the Vancouver Consulate using a police check issued by the Calgary Police Service. The check came on CPS letterhead but on the check it explicitly stated that the CPIC database (the national database) was searched.

A national level CPIC search does not require fingerprints unless someone with the same name and birthday as you has a record. I think a lot of recruiters are idiots and think NATIONAL CHECK=FINGERPRINTS because thats how it works in the US.

As always YMMV and is subject to the whims of whatever consulate you are dealing with.

e: It is illegal for Canadian police to do a Vulnerable Sector Search unless it relates to activities in Canada so you can ignore anyone who mentions that as well.
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ajp



Joined: 09 May 2007

PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OBwannabe wrote:
ajp wrote:
I just had a CRC from a local police station stamped by the Korean embassy last week. They said it was ok. Remember you don't need the one for "vulnerable sectors" or whatever.. that one takes awhile, whereas the one I got was produced on the spot.

Try the websites for the different Korean consulates in Canada if you need a link.. I remember one of them saying a local police check was OK as long as it searched the nationwide database.


Where did you get your CRC done? A few years ago I had one done in my hometown (small place) and they gave me one on the spot as well. Now, in Calgary, I have to wait a month for it to come in the mail. So tired of Canadian beauractic bulls@$%. Can't wait to be back in Korea. For good!


Local police station in Ontario. FWIW, there were two forms-- the generic CRC one and a "vulnerable sectors" one. The vulnerable sectors one you have to wait for, but the officer told me that for a visa, the generic one was fine. He did it right there and it was a little over $40.
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NilesQ



Joined: 27 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CPIC (Canadian Police Information Crentre) is the database querried by all law enforcement agencies in Canada to perform a criminal records check. We have a national system. You'd think the Korean mission to Canada would know that and have their policy reflect it.

Not many Canadians know a lot about CPIC. This is the system that the US border guards also have real time access to for checking up on people coming across the border. If you have been arested, fingerprinted, and photographed in Canada, you have a CPIC file. Even if the charges are dropped or you are found not guitly, you have a CPIC file. It is your responsibility to request the arresting police force to request the RCMP to have the photos and fingerprints destroyed. They will comply if you have had the charges dropped, were found not guilty, or received a discharge and wait the required time after completion of conditional sentence.

You can be refused entry into the US just for having your name come up in CPIC. The record check will come back with some vague wording like a record may or may not exist. So clear up your CPIC file if you can.
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bobbybigfoot



Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine was local, through the Ottawa police. I did the Vulnerable Check back in 2008. The woman responsible for Visas at work was told it's completely acceptable and I had another Korean call immigration directly (not the hotline as that info cannot be relied upon) and they pulled my file and confirmed yet again that my check is valid.
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JeffSeoul



Joined: 21 May 2012
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My buddy and I both had our visa issued last week by different immigration offices in Seoul and both our CBCs were issued by the Suritee du Quebec. (Quebec police force) The police checks stated that they used the national database however, CLEARLY stated they were not RCMP checks. I'd say get a RCMP check if you have time, but if you cant, a check from you municipal or provincial police should work.
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Wildbore



Joined: 17 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish people would do some research. It CLEARLY STATES on the korean "hikorea" immigration website that non-RCMP checks that state "National Repository of Criminal Records" are ok. People can now stop asking this question over and over.

Quote:
<주요 국가 범죄경력증명서 발급기관 및 명칭 등(예시>

미국 : FBI(Federal Bureau of Investigation)범죄경력서, 주정부(State) 범죄경력증명서(미국 전역의 범죄경력이 포함되어 발급된 경우)
캐나다 : Royal Cannadian Mounted Police 발급 RCMP, National Repository of Criminal Records
영국 : Home Office, Police(Criminal Records Bureau, Disclosure Scotland, Access Northern Ireland, ACPO Criminal Records Office)등이 발급한 Basic Disclosure, Request for Information, ACPO Criminal Records Office Authentic Document 등
호주 : AFP(Australian Federal Police)발급 Standard Disclosure, National Police Certificate 등
남아프리카공화국 : South African Police Service 발급 Clearance Certificate 등
아이랜드 : The national police of the Republic of Iland 발급 Police Certificate 등
뉴질랜드 : Ministry of Juistice 발급 범죄경력서


http://www.hikorea.go.kr/pt/InfoDetailR_kr.pt
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wildbore wrote:
I wish people would do some research. It CLEARLY STATES on the korean "hikorea" immigration website that non-RCMP checks that state "National Repository of Criminal Records" are ok. People can now stop asking this question over and over.

Quote:
<주요 국가 범죄경력증명서 발급기관 및 명칭 등(예시>

미국 : FBI(Federal Bureau of Investigation)범죄경력서, 주정부(State) 범죄경력증명서(미국 전역의 범죄경력이 포함되어 발급된 경우)
캐나다 : Royal Cannadian Mounted Police 발급 RCMP, National Repository of Criminal Records
영국 : Home Office, Police(Criminal Records Bureau, Disclosure Scotland, Access Northern Ireland, ACPO Criminal Records Office)등이 발급한 Basic Disclosure, Request for Information, ACPO Criminal Records Office Authentic Document 등
호주 : AFP(Australian Federal Police)발급 Standard Disclosure, National Police Certificate 등
남아프리카공화국 : South African Police Service 발급 Clearance Certificate 등
아이랜드 : The national police of the Republic of Iland 발급 Police Certificate 등
뉴질랜드 : Ministry of Juistice 발급 범죄경력서


http://www.hikorea.go.kr/pt/InfoDetailR_kr.pt


Except they can't, because it's highly unlikely that recruiters will stop being stubborn, inconsistent, and flat out incorrect in their demands.
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Guajiro



Joined: 04 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

northway wrote:
Wildbore wrote:
I wish people would do some research. It CLEARLY STATES on the korean "hikorea" immigration website that non-RCMP checks that state "National Repository of Criminal Records" are ok. People can now stop asking this question over and over.

Quote:
<주요 국가 범죄경력증명서 발급기관 및 명칭 등(예시>

미국 : FBI(Federal Bureau of Investigation)범죄경력서, 주정부(State) 범죄경력증명서(미국 전역의 범죄경력이 포함되어 발급된 경우)
캐나다 : Royal Cannadian Mounted Police 발급 RCMP, National Repository of Criminal Records
영국 : Home Office, Police(Criminal Records Bureau, Disclosure Scotland, Access Northern Ireland, ACPO Criminal Records Office)등이 발급한 Basic Disclosure, Request for Information, ACPO Criminal Records Office Authentic Document 등
호주 : AFP(Australian Federal Police)발급 Standard Disclosure, National Police Certificate 등
남아프리카공화국 : South African Police Service 발급 Clearance Certificate 등
아이랜드 : The national police of the Republic of Iland 발급 Police Certificate 등
뉴질랜드 : Ministry of Juistice 발급 범죄경력서


http://www.hikorea.go.kr/pt/InfoDetailR_kr.pt


Except they can't, because it's highly unlikely that recruiters will stop being stubborn, inconsistent, and flat out incorrect in their demands.


I've been told by several recruiters that they request the RCMP check because it's a sure thing. Often they have to deal with immigration officers that demand the RCMP check and there's nothing the recruiter can do to sway the stubborn bureaucrat. So really it's an inconsistency with immigration offices in Korea not even following their own national regulations.
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guajiro wrote:
northway wrote:
Wildbore wrote:
I wish people would do some research. It CLEARLY STATES on the korean "hikorea" immigration website that non-RCMP checks that state "National Repository of Criminal Records" are ok. People can now stop asking this question over and over.

Quote:
<주요 국가 범죄경력증명서 발급기관 및 명칭 등(예시>

미국 : FBI(Federal Bureau of Investigation)범죄경력서, 주정부(State) 범죄경력증명서(미국 전역의 범죄경력이 포함되어 발급된 경우)
캐나다 : Royal Cannadian Mounted Police 발급 RCMP, National Repository of Criminal Records
영국 : Home Office, Police(Criminal Records Bureau, Disclosure Scotland, Access Northern Ireland, ACPO Criminal Records Office)등이 발급한 Basic Disclosure, Request for Information, ACPO Criminal Records Office Authentic Document 등
호주 : AFP(Australian Federal Police)발급 Standard Disclosure, National Police Certificate 등
남아프리카공화국 : South African Police Service 발급 Clearance Certificate 등
아이랜드 : The national police of the Republic of Iland 발급 Police Certificate 등
뉴질랜드 : Ministry of Juistice 발급 범죄경력서


http://www.hikorea.go.kr/pt/InfoDetailR_kr.pt


Except they can't, because it's highly unlikely that recruiters will stop being stubborn, inconsistent, and flat out incorrect in their demands.


I've been told by several recruiters that they request the RCMP check because it's a sure thing. Often they have to deal with immigration officers that demand the RCMP check and there's nothing the recruiter can do to sway the stubborn bureaucrat. So really it's an inconsistency with immigration offices in Korea not even following their own national regulations.


True, I was being a bit too hard on them, though I do think they may take the easy road a bit too often, i.e. "you're male so there are zero jobs in Seoul ever, would you like to work in Wonju?". Requesting the RCMP check seems like it could be in line with that.
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