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northway
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CGriswald309B
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Those jobs aren't easy to come by...at least not with our credentials.  |
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northway
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| CGriswald309B wrote: |
Those jobs aren't easy to come by...at least not with our credentials. |
I know, i just wanted to show that it took me 30 seconds to find a job in Shanghai paying 4 million a month. |
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warmachinenkorea
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| CGriswald309B wrote: |
Those jobs aren't easy to come by...at least not with our credentials. |
I know, i just wanted to show that it took me 30 seconds to find a job in Shanghai paying 4 million a month. |
This ranges from $30,657 to $54,476. All salaries are paid in USD, however the School reserves the right to pay up to 15% in local currency
A lot of international school pay 50,000+ with 15+ yrs experience. I love the blanket statements. |
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rowdie3
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Location: Itaewon, Seoul
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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I currently work at an international school in Seoul. All teachers make 4 million a month or more. 4 million is the lowest salary (new teacher/less experience).
If you don't want to do this kind of work right now, I understand, but don't take a job that pays 2.1-2.5. Also, I've heard that CDI work their staff to the bone.
Be careful what you sign yourself up for. |
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PatrickGHBusan
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Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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| but don't take a job that pays 2.1-2.5 |
As always a job is about a heck of a lot more than just salary right?
If the OP is fine with 2.1 (that is a bit low) to 2.5 for lower hours and fewer duties than in an international school, then that will work for him no?
Heck I've known qualified and experienced Teachers who came to Korea and prefered the Hakwon setting to the PS or International School setting. It is really a matter of what you want and what you are looking for.
For example a 2-8 schedule is damn attractive to some people.....even if the pay is a bit lower than at the International school that offers 4M+ but for a full on schedule.
I became friends with a woman in Busan in the mid-2000s. She was a certified teacher from the US, had worked a few years full time as a High School teacher in the US. She came to Korea and signed up for a Hakwon. Then on year two of what ended up being a longer stay (she may still be there) she got an offer from an I.S. in Seoul. Pay was much like what was just outlined. She was happy enough to sign but did only one year of her 2 year contract and was back to Hakwons. She found that the I.S. put her back in the same grind she had in the US: long hours (teaching + grading + afterschool clubs she had to run + parents)....the shoe does not fit everyone! |
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northway
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| I became friends with a woman in Busan in the mid-2000s. She was a certified teacher from the US, had worked a few years full time as a High School teacher in the US. She came to Korea and signed up for a Hakwon. Then on year two of what ended up being a longer stay (she may still be there) she got an offer from an I.S. in Seoul. Pay was much like what was just outlined. She was happy enough to sign but did only one year of her 2 year contract and was back to Hakwons. She found that the I.S. put her back in the same grind she had in the US: long hours (teaching + grading + afterschool clubs she had to run + parents)....the shoe does not fit everyone! |
And it's not as if there aren't any good hagwons that want certified teachers and will treat them well as a result, which a lot of people seem to miss. |
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bobbybigfoot
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Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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If I were you two, I'd be looking for even more money. A fair bit of experience PLUS you are both certified.
You are being extremely reasonable. |
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PatrickGHBusan
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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If I were you two, I'd be looking for even more money. A fair bit of experience PLUS you are both certified.
You are being extremely reasonable. |
They are being reasonable but also have specific preferences...namely shorter hours. Can't have it all right? |
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bobbybigfoot
Joined: 05 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
They are being reasonable but also have specific preferences...namely shorter hours. Can't have it all right? |
I think they have a lot to offer (assuming they are solid teachers). I wouldn't think it would be that hard to get two positions paying 2.5 each, with 6 hour days.
If money is not their preference, then they should be able to find two positions with 4 hours days for 2.1~2.3 a month.
They key is their degree: they are certified. That sets them apart from the rest. |
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Weigookin74
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Actually it's better if you don't work at the same hogwon. One of you can ask for the apartment and the other can ask for a housing allowance. Split the housing allowance and you'll earn a bit more. |
Plus it would be near-impossible to vacation together if both of you are at the same hogwon, even if it's a large one. |
Damn. I never even thought of vacation. Thanks!
UPDATE: We did get an offer for a position in Seoul. 2:30 to 8:30, 2.3. Starts August 20th. However, the neighborhood doesn't seem all that happening.
Nos vemos... |
To get into Seoul, don't be picky about location. Be picky about the job, but never location. (Maybe apartment though.) |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 12:40 am Post subject: |
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| warmachinenkorea wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| CGriswald309B wrote: |
Those jobs aren't easy to come by...at least not with our credentials. |
I know, i just wanted to show that it took me 30 seconds to find a job in Shanghai paying 4 million a month. |
This ranges from $30,657 to $54,476. All salaries are paid in USD, however the School reserves the right to pay up to 15% in local currency
A lot of international school pay 50,000+ with 15+ yrs experience. I love the blanket statements. |
OP, if you are interested in teaching in Shanghai making the equivalent of 4mil krw send me a pm. My school will be hiring 2 new teachers starting late August. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 4:12 am Post subject: |
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| bobbybigfoot wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
They are being reasonable but also have specific preferences...namely shorter hours. Can't have it all right? |
I think they have a lot to offer (assuming they are solid teachers). I wouldn't think it would be that hard to get two positions paying 2.5 each, with 6 hour days.
If money is not their preference, then they should be able to find two positions with 4 hours days for 2.1~2.3 a month.
They key is their degree: they are certified. That sets them apart from the rest. |
I agree!
All I was saying was that a job is about more than salary for many people.
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 11:24 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| bobbybigfoot wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
They are being reasonable but also have specific preferences...namely shorter hours. Can't have it all right? |
I think they have a lot to offer (assuming they are solid teachers). I wouldn't think it would be that hard to get two positions paying 2.5 each, with 6 hour days.
If money is not their preference, then they should be able to find two positions with 4 hours days for 2.1~2.3 a month.
They key is their degree: they are certified. That sets them apart from the rest. |
I agree!
All I was saying was that a job is about more than salary for many people.
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This is quite true. I prefer my job over a hakwon for reasons other than just salary. For instance I really enjoy having a 190 day working year as opposed to just 10 days vacation + national holidays (which you may lose if they fall on non-working days). To each their own, I suppose. |
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PatrickGHBusan
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| Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 11:39 am Post subject: |
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Your sarcasm aside, a job IS about more than pay.
It can be about benefits, hours, location, who you teach, scheduling, hours, work environment.....
Some people prefer the Hakwon environment vs the Public School environment because of the smaller class sizes and the freedom to teach their own class. Others prefer the PS position because of the stability and often the vacation time.
Some will prefer the higher pay, no matter what, as long as the job is challenging enough.
Reducing it to pay is stupid in my opinion, especially in this case when the OP specifically mentionned the want shorter hours and a 2-8 shedule or something like it....
We all have different preferences when it comes to work. For me, a job at this point is about a heck of a lot more than raw salary. Conditions are a huge deal as is schedule flexibility as I have two kids. In my case, benefits would trump pay as well (dental insurance for example).
All this being said, the OP and hos gf are actually qualified and experience so I am sure they can find a good Hakwon position with a 2-8 schedule M-F for something around 2.5M. |
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