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Zackback
Joined: 05 Nov 2010
Location: Kyungbuk
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 Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 12:30 am Post subject: |
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What about equal rights for polygamists?
What about equal rights for those who want to marry close relatives?
What about equal rights for those who want group marriage?
What a freak show. |
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wintermute
Joined: 01 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| Zackback wrote: |
What about equal rights for polygamists?
What about equal rights for those who want to marry close relatives?
What about equal rights for those who want group marriage?
What a freak show. |
Look on the bright side - equal rights for trolls can't be too far down that list.
Until then, please crawl back into your grubby hole. |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: yes.
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 2:53 am Post subject: |
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This is an abomination.
Why stop at allowing gay marriages? Why not polygamous marriages? Why not 4 men marrying 4 women or 3 men with 5 women or close relatives (of legal age)?
What a mess. |
Are you just messing around or you really think like that? |
He's repeating what he heard on FOX. |
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Zackback
Joined: 05 Nov 2010
Location: Kyungbuk
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 3:09 am Post subject: |
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What a bunch of idiots. Neither of you could deal with the inconsistency of those who advocate "gay marriage". So attacking Fox News was the best you could offer.
Pathetic. |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 3:47 am Post subject: |
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| Zackback wrote: |
What about equal rights for polygamists?
What about equal rights for those who want to marry close relatives?
What about equal rights for those who want group marriage?
What a freak show. |
Don't worry, more government rules and regulations will solve everything, right? Government has to take care of the people physically, morally and spiritually because they're incapable of making their own choices.
We have to make sure that the police stop consenting adults from doing things in their private lives that make other people feel sad. That's what government is for. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 4:12 am Post subject: |
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| I have several gay family members who have been in long-term, monogamous relationships for decades. The sad thing is that some of them are very old now, and not entitled to the social security benefits and health insurance coverage that my married, straight family members are allowed. |
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Zackback
Joined: 05 Nov 2010
Location: Kyungbuk
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 4:27 am Post subject: |
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comm,
Consenting adults?
That is why I mentioned those are polygamists, those who want group marriage and those who want to marry their close relatives.
Shouldn't they be allowed to get "married" as well? Why does everyone keep avoiding these groups....don't they have equal rights too?
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NYC_Gal,
Should the people I mentioned above be allowed to marry and therefore be able to adopt children?
Like I said....freak show. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 5:00 am Post subject: |
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| People can already marry close relatives in a lot of states. |
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rambler
Joined: 18 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 5:10 am Post subject: |
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Zackback...
I don't know if you're a troll, but I can help explain this to you.
Obama said gay marriage is OK.
He didn't say anything about polygamy.
Those are two different things.
Clear? |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 5:38 am Post subject: |
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| Zackback wrote: |
comm,
Consenting adults?
That is why I mentioned those are polygamists, those who want group marriage and those who want to marry their close relatives.
Shouldn't they be allowed to get "married" as well? Why does everyone keep avoiding these groups....don't they have equal rights too?
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NYC_Gal,
Should the people I mentioned above be allowed to marry and therefore be able to adopt children?
Like I said....freak show. |
Look out, we got a "slippery slope" over here.
More importantly, the fact that you're thinking of what the government "should allow" people to do is more disgusting than anything I can imagine consenting adults doing. And I've seen 2girls1cup.
The police power of government does not exist for you liberal goons to impose your ideal world on others. It's to protect you from force or fraud. If neither of those things is occurring, government can f*** off.
If naughty words on the TV, or law abiding citizens owning guns, or 2 (or 6) adults getting their freak on makes you sad, I suggest you buy a pillow and cry into it. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 6:16 am Post subject: |
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Well, I personally completely agree with President Obama on this! And, I think President Obama deserves a lot of credit for this announcement as he is the first sitting President to endorse equal marriage rights for homosexuals.
Some people want to paint this as crass politicism. But, it is not as if he were making this announcement two weeks before the election because he was trailing in the polls and he thought that this was a last stab at winning the election.
The conventions haven't even been held yet and the general election hasn't started.
For good or for bad, and I suspect it will be for good, President Obama's legacy will be tied to this announcement. It is a bold step forward for the country.
Making such statements is not easy for sitting Presidents. I am sure there are many other things that sitting Presidents believe that they are not always able to say.
And, I guess that is part of the reason why I am also sad to see Romney unable to follow suit. Can you imagine if Romney had just agreed with Obama? Could you imagine politicians in the U.S. actually united on an issue, especially one which supports equal rights?
Sadly, that day has not happened.
Would I love for Obama to embrace other freedoms? You bet! But, criticizing him for that is to cheapen the historic momment of this pronouncement into cheap politicization.
I think this is an historic momment which all Americans, of all political stripes, should embrace and be happy about.
Of course, we still need the legislation to follow the statement of support. But, lets not cloud this historic momment. |
Unposter is right, the position is genuine. But, the timing is very political, and I mean that in the best way.
Obama need not pass anymore legislation. He's already convinced a handful of Republicans to allow gays to serve in the military. And more recently he's declined to defend the constitutionality of DOMA. He argued for these positions without arguing for gay marriage, as there are valid reasons to support each policy independent of the (I think obvious) rightfulness of civil equality. Don't Ask Don't Tell was ejecting qualified homosexual servicemen from the military at a time when the military was short on talent. DOMA is grossly unconstitutional, as the Federal government has very little jurisdiction to dictate a state function, namely marriage.
Obama was right to wait this long to declare open support for gay marriage. His record shows that his cautious, incremental strategy was a success. In this way, his timing was indeed political, in the very best way. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 6:41 am Post subject: |
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| Obama was right to wait this long to declare open support for gay marriage. His record shows that his cautious, incremental strategy was a success. In this way, his timing was indeed political, in the very best way. |
It's also good election year politics in the respect that it gets the subject off of the economy for a bit and he forces Mitt to either do nothing and piss of his base or come out strongly against Obama's comments and paint itself as a champion of socially conservative issues at a time when he's trying to lure in moderates. |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 7:18 am Post subject: |
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| Zackback wrote: |
What about equal rights for polygamists?
What about equal rights for those who want to marry close relatives?
What about equal rights for those who want group marriage?
What a freak show. |
So why hasn't this happened in countries that have same-sex marriage? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 9:26 am Post subject: |
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The Strength of a Movement Is More Important Than the Warmth of a President's Heart
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| [T]he pressure continuously applied on Obama by some gay groups, most gay activists, and (especially) rich gay funders undoubtedly played a significant role....As David Sirota explained today, this demonstrates why it is so vital to always apply critical pressure even to politicians one likes and supports, and conversely, it demonstrates why it is so foolish and irresponsible to devote oneself with uncritical, blind adoration to a politician, whether in an election year or any other time |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 9:42 am Post subject: |
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| And, I think President Obama deserves a lot of credit for this announcement as he is the first sitting President to endorse equal marriage rights for homosexuals. |
The problem is, however, that his likely position isn't one of marriage equality. He will likely advocate for federal law that dictates that marriage must be homosexual or heterosexual, a position as secularly abhorrent as dictating that marriage be heterosexual only. I'll give him time, though, and see if my 'likely' turns into reality. We've got, what, about six months till the election? I'm sure he'll have all his issues 'evolved' by then. 
As for giving him credit... for what? Other posters are absolutely correct that until he actually does something, what he's said means next to nothing. Or have we already forgotten about Guantanamo?
| Zackback wrote: |
What about equal rights for polygamists?
What about equal rights for those who want to marry close relatives?
What about equal rights for those who want group marriage? |
And what exactly is wrong with any of those completely unrelated issues? |
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