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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 6:14 am Post subject: |
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I understand where you are coming from Op. I, on the other hand, take a completely different approach with my school. I say "yes" all the time. Sometimes i get paid extra, sometimes I don't. And these days, I don't even ask what the pay will be.
* This attitude has allowed me to reach max pay at my school.
* Has gotten me promoted (extra pay)
* Has gotten me fixed office hours (extra pay)
* Has me first in line for extra paying gigs
* glowing references will not be a problem (a huge bonus)
* managerial opportunities may lay in my future
I give free hours all the time. I'm early to work and I always stay a few minutes after. When given extra duties, I just smile and say "no problem." Then I make sure my work is done and well done, even if it sees me put it an extra 2, 3 or 20 hours of "free work" in any given month.
The trick is to view your job as your career. It's one piece of a bigger masterpiece you are building. If you want to have something to be proud of at the end of your career, take good care of it. |
Good advice.
I probably would have done much better in Korea had I had
this kind of attitude.
However, I could not seem to get past the feeling of
"being taken advantage of" and the need to defend myself from the onslaught.
Perhaps I spent too many years in hagwon and had a negative attitude engrained in my psyche. |
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cedarseoul
Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Location: nowon-gu
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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This has (generally speaking) been my approach as well, and it's been similarly beneficial for me.
The problem is that, in general (not without exception), the ESL industry has a very low glass ceiling. If you're not Korean or--at least--married to a Korean and fervently studying Korean--the chances of really excelling vocationally seem slim. Straight-up E2s will always be viewed as dispensable and foreign, and the higher echelons of management at any given school are inherently skeptical of appointing such people to top positions.
So you could, theoretically, approach your job as a vocation and pour your heart and soul into it, and still get a random complaint or two (b/c they can be unpredictable) and end up, in your boss's eyes, on the same level as the bum who just got off the plane at Incheon. I've seen this happen.
Bottom line: a pleasant attitude and a good work ethic might get you promoted to, I don't know, head teacher or supervisor or something. But to really climb the ranks? That's going to be a very tough sell.
I have attended managerial-level training sessions and workshops for my company before, and I'd say the general mix is 90% Korean - 10% foreign...and a lot of times the foreigners who show up to these things aren't actually in management positions at all.
Seems like a risky game to play. If one is looking for a serious, long-term career, one might want to look elsewhere (or, at a minimum, obtain an F-series visa, obtain a university position, learn Korean, etc.).
Edit: Maybe things are different in PS. I'm mainly thinking about hagwon, though I suspect many PS teachers find upward mobility similarly frustrating, esp. with the recent cutbacks...? |
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plchron
Joined: 26 Feb 2011 Location: Korea
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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bobbybigfoot
Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 3:43 pm Post subject:
I understand where you are coming from Op. I, on the other hand, take a completely different approach with my school. I say "yes" all the time. Sometimes i get paid extra, sometimes I don't. And these days, I don't even ask what the pay will be.
* This attitude has allowed me to reach max pay at my school.
* Has gotten me promoted (extra pay)
* Has gotten me fixed office hours (extra pay)
* Has me first in line for extra paying gigs
* glowing references will not be a problem (a huge bonus)
* managerial opportunities may lay in my future
I give free hours all the time. I'm early to work and I always stay a few minutes after. When given extra duties, I just smile and say "no problem." Then I make sure my work is done and well done, even if it sees me put it an extra 2, 3 or 20 hours of "free work" in any given month.
The trick is to view your job as your career. It's one piece of a bigger masterpiece you are building. If you want to have something to be proud of at the end of your career, take good care of it. |
that is a positive attitude to have if you are doing this long term and my hat goes off to you for still being able to smile when you know that you won't be getting anything back in return (at least tangibly).
For my me this is a one year gig and I have other options. I came here because the money is better than going other places. I try to keep that in mind. When the want me to do 'extra' work I want 'extra' money.
Living here is like a game of walking on egg shells. If you are staying long term then bend over and grab your ankles. If you are only here temporarily than you shouldn't worry yourself with whiny Korean office drama or worry about offending someone just to get what is rightfully owed to you.
Remember. You want their money, this place kinda sucks compared to other Asian countries (so you are here because of the money and not in Thailand), and you should not be ripped off by any government employer. |
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