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Japanese pitcher taking the US by storm
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Dave Chance



Joined: 30 May 2011

PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 7:19 am    Post subject: Japanese pitcher taking the US by storm Reply with quote

One last hurrah before becoming extinct

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuMVXqg_5oc
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northway



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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's really, really good. Looks like the best NPB pitcher to have made the jump.
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Dave Chance



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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

U can say that again.

Made A-Rod look like a minor leaguer.
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slothrop



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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

seasons only 6 weeks old. how many major leaguers start out 6-0 only to end up hurt or 12-12 on the season. also, every rookie has a distinct advantage his first time round the league. it's the second time that proves he's for real. that said. he'd have to be better than nomo was for the first few years to be considered the BEST pitcher out of japan.

funny aside;i remember when the yanks broke the bank to aquire hideki irabu, who then proceeded to set records in home runs allowed. one rumor going around was that the scouting report had him clocked at 100. the yanks thought it was MPH, but it was in fact kilometers per hour.LOL
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northway



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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't say he was the best, but he looks like the best. It's worth noting that he was much, much better than Nomo in Japan (not that he was bad, by any means). I've watched a couple of his starts and he's definitely avoided Matsuzaka's nibbling problems, so far. He also has a better build for a starting pitcher than most of the Japanese guys who have made the jump. On top of all that, if anyone knows pitching, it's Nolan Ryan. He might not continue to be this good, but I think he'll settle in as the ace of that staff, which is saying something, considering how deep they were already.

For me, the most amazing thing is that he can throw around 90 left handed, which he routinely does as part of his warm up, the logic apparently being that he wants to keep his body in balance.
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Dave Chance



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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

His better body build is due to his father being Iranian.

That's also contributed to his mental toughness, as 'halves' (especially of non-western origin) aren't treated very nicely growing up in Japan, and may have prepared him well for taking on the challenges of making it in the US.
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northway



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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave Chance wrote:
His better body build is due to his father being Iranian.

That's also contributed to his mental toughness, as 'halves' (especially of non-western origin) aren't treated very nicely growing up in Japan, and may have prepared him well for taking on the challenges of making it in the US.


For sure on the body.

As for being half and growing up in Japan, the same was true of Irabu and he was pretty bad, and actually ended up committing suicide a few months back, so I'm not sure if we can draw any meaningful conclusions from that.
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Dave Chance



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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, well, it's sink or swim, looks like Darvish's a swimmer to me.

Also, Irabu's dad was American. Darvish's father being Iranian has always put him in the position of underdog.

Any case, yeah these are all specualtions so it'll be interesting to see how the thing plays out.
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slothrop



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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 questions...

u guys think a 1st year player in the majors should be elligible for rookie of the year honors if he has already had a successful carrer in another country?

is ichiro a first ballot hall of famer?

i would say no to the 1st question, yes to the 2nd. just my opinion.
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jfromtheway



Joined: 20 Nov 2010

PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish it was easier for me to keep up with the MLB and American sports in general here. ESPN android app is all I got.

Ichiro better be a first ballot hall of famer. No question about that in my mind. One of the best hitters of all time. I wore my Ichiro jersey shirt to a baseball game in Korea a couple weeks ago, got quite a few death stares. At least I thought it was funny.
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Dave Chance



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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

northway wrote:
Dave Chance wrote:
His better body build is due to his father being Iranian.

That's also contributed to his mental toughness, as 'halves' (especially of non-western origin) aren't treated very nicely growing up in Japan, and may have prepared him well for taking on the challenges of making it in the US.


For sure on the body.

As for being half and growing up in Japan, the same was true of Irabu and he was pretty bad, and actually ended up committing suicide a few months back, so I'm not sure if we can draw any meaningful conclusions from that.


Also, Irabu's dad was a US serviceman who he never knew...may explain his massive mood swings and general inconsistency, as well as his unfortunate demise.
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rollo



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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This guy looks for real. Great pitchers are rare. I have a feeling this guy is going to be around for a while. Good frame and seems to have a good work ethic.
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flakfizer



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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

slothrop wrote:
seasons only 6 weeks old. how many major leaguers start out 6-0 only to end up hurt or 12-12 on the season. also, every rookie has a distinct advantage his first time round the league. it's the second time that proves he's for real. that said. he'd have to be better than nomo was for the first few years to be considered the BEST pitcher out of japan.

funny aside;i remember when the yanks broke the bank to aquire hideki irabu, who then proceeded to set records in home runs allowed. one rumor going around was that the scouting report had him clocked at 100. the yanks thought it was MPH, but it was in fact kilometers per hour.LOL

Ah, Irabu. Always reminds me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzeuvZc1KI8
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slothrop



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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

flakfizer wrote:
slothrop wrote:
seasons only 6 weeks old. how many major leaguers start out 6-0 only to end up hurt or 12-12 on the season. also, every rookie has a distinct advantage his first time round the league. it's the second time that proves he's for real. that said. he'd have to be better than nomo was for the first few years to be considered the BEST pitcher out of japan.

funny aside;i remember when the yanks broke the bank to aquire hideki irabu, who then proceeded to set records in home runs allowed. one rumor going around was that the scouting report had him clocked at 100. the yanks thought it was MPH, but it was in fact kilometers per hour.LOL

Ah, Irabu. Always reminds me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzeuvZc1KI8


classic!
here's another japanese baseball classic/tom sellik in mr. baseball
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHMcjsdU1JI
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Adam Carolla



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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

slothrop wrote:

funny aside;i remember when the yanks broke the bank to aquire hideki irabu, who then proceeded to set records in home runs allowed. one rumor going around was that the scouting report had him clocked at 100. the yanks thought it was MPH, but it was in fact kilometers per hour.LOL


I'm sorry, but anyone who believed that rumor is an idiot. Logic and reason will tell you that no pitcher who throws 60 mph (100kph) is going to make it in the Japanese leagues, must less get as much attention as Irabu did from the major leagues.* A quick google of Hideki Irabu says he was clocked at 98mph once upon a time.


*Because this is Dave's, I'm sure someone will chime in with something about how knuckleballers can have success with those velocities. Yes, here's a cookie, that's completely beside the point, Irabu wasn't a knuckleballer.
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