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thebektionary
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 Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 9:25 pm Post subject: This girl's hagwon shut down mid-flight... help me help her |
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A girl who was going to work at my friend's hagwon is freaking out right now because she arrived here to a hagwon that went out of business.
I also had a really bad hagwon experience so I'm meeting up with her today to assure her that everything is going to be all right and help her with what she needs help with. I have a spare pay-as-you-go phone that I'm going to lend to her until she gets one of her own.
She is just freaking out and saying that she needs to go to the hospital to get her health check to apply for her ARC. But I thought that you couldn't get an ARC unless she has a job. She's working with another recruiter now who is helping her find another job and they are telling her that she needs her ARC to get another one. I thought she just needed to transfer her E2 to them?
What are the steps she needs to take right now? I really don't have to have any responsibility for her but I feel the need to help her just because I don't want her to have a bad impression of Korea and because I know that I would need similar help if I were to be in that situation. |
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maximmm
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 11:21 pm Post subject: Re: This girl's hagwon shut down mid-flight... help me help |
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Umm.... even switching jobs requires one to have a letter of release - given that the school has shut down - this would be impossible to obtain. I'd say this is a somewhat complex situation - and it's unlikely that she'll be able to get ARC since that too requires tax documents pertaining hagwon (which, again, if the school is shut down and the director is no longer in reach - is not possible to obtain). I think she'll need to speak to the immigration officials - they may offer another solution - but I'm not sure that they will, given that they might insist on confirmation of her story.
The best bet is to get in touch with the director of the shut down school - if she can get a letter of release, she would have no major obstacles in getting another job. |
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thebektionary
Joined: 11 May 2011
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 11:32 pm Post subject: Re: This girl's hagwon shut down mid-flight... help me help |
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| maximmm wrote: |
Umm.... even switching jobs requires one to have a letter of release - given that the school has shut down - this would be impossible to obtain. I'd say this is a somewhat complex situation - and it's unlikely that she'll be able to get ARC since that too requires tax documents pertaining hagwon (which, again, if the school is shut down and the director is no longer in reach - is not possible to obtain). I think she'll need to speak to the immigration officials - they may offer another solution - but I'm not sure that they will, given that they might insist on confirmation of her story.
The best bet is to get in touch with the director of the shut down school - if she can get a letter of release, she would have no major obstacles in getting another job. |
I think she was working there today. I don't think the place shut down yet... I think it might by the end of the week. |
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YTMND
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Location: You're the man now dog!!
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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| A girl who was going to work at my friend's hagwon is freaking out right now because she arrived here to a hagwon that went out of business. |
Actually, that's not that bad of a deal. They have given her a place to stay? She can try to get a D10 and then find a new hagwon. Since she is in Korea, it should be easier and better to find a new job.
Turn this lemon into lemonade. |
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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 1:57 am Post subject: Re: This girl's hagwon shut down mid-flight... help me help |
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| maximmm wrote: |
Umm.... even switching jobs requires one to have a letter of release - given that the school has shut down - this would be impossible to obtain. I'd say this is a somewhat complex situation - and it's unlikely that she'll be able to get ARC since that too requires tax documents pertaining hagwon (which, again, if the school is shut down and the director is no longer in reach - is not possible to obtain). I think she'll need to speak to the immigration officials - they may offer another solution - but I'm not sure that they will, given that they might insist on confirmation of her story.
The best bet is to get in touch with the director of the shut down school - if she can get a letter of release, she would have no major obstacles in getting another job. |
If the school has or is about to shut down, then she can get the letter of release from the labor board. In fact she'll probably have to get it from them because normally you can't use a LOR in the first 6 months. If the school shuts down or has to lay off employees for financial reasons, then they are required to notify the labor board AND THE TEACHER of this situation at least 30 days in advance. The probationary period is not relevant in this situation. She still gets 30 days notice. PLUS she has to be paid for that time.
Her first priority now is getting to the labor board to tell them her situation. If the boss gave her less than 30 days notice then labor will likely step in. If she's lucky they won't let the guy try to deduct the airfare from her salary. But it's important to show how employer didn't follow the law. It will give her more leverage later and make it much easier to get a D10. (So she could potentially receive it because the school is going out of business, and potentially because she was cheated -- 2 reasons --> she'll likely get it.) She should bring up the topic of salary with her boss because it can cause him to fly into a fit and try to make things miserable and difficult for her. She should wait until she's got the D10 and then file for unpaid salary IMMEDIATELY before the school really does shut down. Still, it's unlikely she'll get paid, so she should just get the D10 or transfer her visa ASAP. She's basically working for free right now. On the up side, if the school goes out of business, the owner can't force her to pay back the cost of her flight. |
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Son Deureo!
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luckylady
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 9:40 am Post subject: Re: This girl's hagwon shut down mid-flight... help me help |
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| maximmm wrote: |
Umm.... even switching jobs requires one to have a letter of release - given that the school has shut down - this would be impossible to obtain. I'd say this is a somewhat complex situation - and it's unlikely that she'll be able to get ARC since that too requires tax documents pertaining hagwon (which, again, if the school is shut down and the director is no longer in reach - is not possible to obtain). I think she'll need to speak to the immigration officials - they may offer another solution - but I'm not sure that they will, given that they might insist on confirmation of her story.
The best bet is to get in touch with the director of the shut down school - if she can get a letter of release, she would have no major obstacles in getting another job. |
If the school has or is about to shut down, then she can get the letter of release from the labor board. In fact she'll probably have to get it from them because normally you can't use a LOR in the first 6 months. If the school shuts down or has to lay off employees for financial reasons, then they are required to notify the labor board AND THE TEACHER of this situation at least 30 days in advance. The probationary period is not relevant in this situation. She still gets 30 days notice. PLUS she has to be paid for that time.
Her first priority now is getting to the labor board to tell them her situation. If the boss gave her less than 30 days notice then labor will likely step in. If she's lucky they won't let the guy try to deduct the airfare from her salary. But it's important to show how employer didn't follow the law. It will give her more leverage later and make it much easier to get a D10. (So she could potentially receive it because the school is going out of business, and potentially because she was cheated -- 2 reasons --> she'll likely get it.) She should bring up the topic of salary with her boss because it can cause him to fly into a fit and try to make things miserable and difficult for her. She should wait until she's got the D10 and then file for unpaid salary IMMEDIATELY before the school really does shut down. Still, it's unlikely she'll get paid, so she should just get the D10 or transfer her visa ASAP. She's basically working for free right now. On the up side, if the school goes out of business, the owner can't force her to pay back the cost of her flight. |
listen to Trog's advice -
it's very important she's extremely cautious about working at this point because there's a very high chance she won't see a won of it - |
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ontheway
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 10:06 am Post subject: Re: This girl's hagwon shut down mid-flight... help me help |
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| thebektionary wrote: |
A girl who was going to work at my friend's hagwon is freaking out right now because she arrived here to a hagwon that went out of business.
I also had a really bad hagwon experience so I'm meeting up with her today to assure her that everything is going to be all right and help her with what she needs help with. I have a spare pay-as-you-go phone that I'm going to lend to her until she gets one of her own.
She is just freaking out and saying that she needs to go to the hospital to get her health check to apply for her ARC. But I thought that you couldn't get an ARC unless she has a job. She's working with another recruiter now who is helping her find another job and they are telling her that she needs her ARC to get another one. I thought she just needed to transfer her E2 to them?
What are the steps she needs to take right now? I really don't have to have any responsibility for her but I feel the need to help her just because I don't want her to have a bad impression of Korea and because I know that I would need similar help if I were to be in that situation. |
| thebektionary wrote: |
| maximmm wrote: |
Umm.... even switching jobs requires one to have a letter of release - given that the school has shut down - this would be impossible to obtain. I'd say this is a somewhat complex situation - and it's unlikely that she'll be able to get ARC since that too requires tax documents pertaining hagwon (which, again, if the school is shut down and the director is no longer in reach - is not possible to obtain). I think she'll need to speak to the immigration officials - they may offer another solution - but I'm not sure that they will, given that they might insist on confirmation of her story.
The best bet is to get in touch with the director of the shut down school - if she can get a letter of release, she would have no major obstacles in getting another job. |
I think she was working there today. I don't think the place shut down yet... I think it might by the end of the week. |
First post, the school was already closed, but now it's still open and your friend is working.
For your friend:
1) Don't panic.
2) Get your medical check done and get your Alien Registration Card ASAP.
3) Keep working at this school as long as its open, at least for the next few weeks. This gives you a place to live (I assume they you that), a base and experience for a job search, and the possibility of getting paid.
4) You should be observant and look for clues as to the future of the school.
5) If the opportunity arises, ask about the financial condition of the school from anyone on the inside that might be willing to share info.
6) If the school truly seems financially doomed, begin a quiet job search right away: Post your resume on Dave's, and use a different recruiter than the one that got you this job. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 4:00 pm Post subject: Re: This girl's hagwon shut down mid-flight... help me help |
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A girl who was going to work at my friend's hagwon is freaking out right now because she arrived here to a hagwon that went out of business.
I also had a really bad hagwon experience so I'm meeting up with her today to assure her that everything is going to be all right and help her with what she needs help with. I have a spare pay-as-you-go phone that I'm going to lend to her until she gets one of her own.
She is just freaking out and saying that she needs to go to the hospital to get her health check to apply for her ARC. But I thought that you couldn't get an ARC unless she has a job. She's working with another recruiter now who is helping her find another job and they are telling her that she needs her ARC to get another one. I thought she just needed to transfer her E2 to them?
What are the steps she needs to take right now? I really don't have to have any responsibility for her but I feel the need to help her just because I don't want her to have a bad impression of Korea and because I know that I would need similar help if I were to be in that situation. |
If the school has actually locked the doors her FIRST priority is immigration.
Explain the situation and they will give her 30 days to transfer or she can switch to a D10 and find new work. The LOR is not necessary.
The labor board is a non-issue unless she wants to file for non payment of earned wages.
If the school is still in operation then she can try for a LOR and a simple transfer of her visa to a new employer.
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Harpeau
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| ttompatz in the past has been pretty much dead right on such issues. I would trust his judgement on this. (Not negating what other people said.) |
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Troglodyte
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| Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 5:30 am Post subject: Re: This girl's hagwon shut down mid-flight... help me help |
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She should bring up the topic of salary with her boss because it can cause him to fly into a fit and try to make things miserable and difficult for her. She should wait until she's got the D10 and then file for unpaid salary IMMEDIATELY before the school really does shut down.
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Eeee!!!! Typo!!!!! I meant to write "She shouldn't bring up the topic of salary...."
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| thebektionary wrote: |
A girl who was going to work at my friend's hagwon is freaking out right now because she arrived here to a hagwon that went out of business.
I also had a really bad hagwon experience so I'm meeting up with her today to assure her that everything is going to be all right and help her with what she needs help with. I have a spare pay-as-you-go phone that I'm going to lend to her until she gets one of her own.
She is just freaking out and saying that she needs to go to the hospital to get her health check to apply for her ARC. But I thought that you couldn't get an ARC unless she has a job. She's working with another recruiter now who is helping her find another job and they are telling her that she needs her ARC to get another one. I thought she just needed to transfer her E2 to them?
What are the steps she needs to take right now? I really don't have to have any responsibility for her but I feel the need to help her just because I don't want her to have a bad impression of Korea and because I know that I would need similar help if I were to be in that situation. |
If the school has actually locked the doors her FIRST priority is immigration.
Explain the situation and they will give her 30 days to transfer or she can switch to a D10 and find new work. The LOR is not necessary.
The labor board is a non-issue unless she wants to file for non payment of earned wages.
If the school is still in operation then she can try for a LOR and a simple transfer of her visa to a new employer.
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Can she use a regular LOR at this point? I know that it used to be that immigration generally wouldn't accept one in the first 6 months. (If the school went out of business then the LOR wasn't necessary.) Maybe that's changed though.
OP, how did the school inform her that the school is closing? Did they tell her when she arrived?
Did they give her a place to stay? How long will they let her stay there? |
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