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liveinkorea316
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Just because a specialist doctor can work in Korea on a VISA because there are no Koreans to do that job does not mean that Koreans are not allowed to do that job.
It means there are NOT ENOUGH Koreans to do that job. There is a difference.
Work visa's just require the employer to make a case to the Government that there are not enough Koreans that can do that job locally. It is true that not enough Koreans can speak English like a native. BUT SOME CAN. Those who can are NOT RESTRICTED from getting jobs E2 workers can get. |
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ThingsComeAround
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 5:22 am Post subject: |
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chungbukdo
Joined: 22 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 7:03 am Post subject: |
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| liveinkorea316 wrote: |
Just because a specialist doctor can work in Korea on a VISA because there are no Koreans to do that job does not mean that Koreans are not allowed to do that job.
It means there are NOT ENOUGH Koreans to do that job. There is a difference.
Work visa's just require the employer to make a case to the Government that there are not enough Koreans that can do that job locally. It is true that not enough Koreans can speak English like a native. BUT SOME CAN. Those who can are NOT RESTRICTED from getting jobs E2 workers can get. |
Right. I don't care about this. I care about whether she can get a job and be hired and be treated equally to someone with a foreign passport.
I know that technically its LEGAL that she could do all those things. I don't know about the practicality of it. As I've demonstrated in this thread, she's not looked at highly by employers.
So I was wondering if anyone knows of any experiences with Koreans being lecturers at universities and working the same hours for the same pay as the foreign lecturers. |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 7:48 am Post subject: |
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| The best info I have is that at my uni, we had a gyopo last year and still have a couple of Philippinos with noticeable accents this year. Our uni is outside of Seoul though. I dare say within Seoul this situation is unlikely. |
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luckylady
Joined: 30 Jan 2012
Location: u.s. of occupied territories
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 3:04 pm Post subject: Re: Can Korean Citizens Get Uni Lecturer Gigs? |
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| chungbukdo wrote: |
That's not the case with my girlfriend at all. She just read through the copy of Atlas Shrugged I gave her (most native speakers haven't read a book like that since high school). She wrote her thesis in English. Her grammar is better than mine.
However, I was not asking for your experience with Korean people who speak English and their individual level of proficiency. I was asking questions with regard to university positions in Korea and hiring practices. |
you mentioned her speaking accomplishment was that she had acquired a London accent, hence I responded appropriately.
I also responded about unis hiring preferences in general, perhaps you missed it?
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| most unis in general want to see evidence of education through both work experience and as mentioned, publications and/or broadcast and/or public speaking to support one's claims of being fluent and competent in the required language. |
it's not really that difficult to publish something, if she can write, tell her to have at it - even in a newspaper op ed, a TESOL journal, a book review (you mentioned Atlas Shrugged) something to add to her resume - employers look at LOT more favorably on people who have actually demonstrated initiative with their education. |
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Swampfox10mm
Joined: 24 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 3:23 am Post subject: |
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| We have a gyopo on staff, and as far as I know, he is treated equally. We are in Seoul. |
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Hoost
Joined: 12 Nov 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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my university turned down two foreigners out of hand because they had gotten korean citizenship. we are not allowed to hire korean citizens. i dont know if it's a university rule or a government rule.
that said, we do have a couple of koreans in our department. one of them got canadian citizenship and grew up there. the other had us citizenship, but gave it up and is a korean citizen... so im not sure on the whole situation.
sounds like in your situation, koeran citizen by birth, no degree from overseas, then the answer is probably no. if they got a phd and got hired not as an english instructor, but as a full fledged professor, then they could get a uni job, but its a totally different game then. |
That is VERY bizarre.
In my previous university, they hired me (a US citizen, F-4 visa).
They also hired a Korean Citizen (same position as me)
At my current university: they hired me and an F-2 visa holder
Private universities are generally more relaxed, whereas national universities might have more strict criteria. However, I do not see why she would not get hired. She is not applying for a visa, so really there is no "foreign-born" criteria. Mainly, she needs to have a degree abroad and experience teaching.
But more importantly, she needs the hookup... |
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