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bcity
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 Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 8:17 am Post subject: E2 denial based on medical |
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Hey all,
My visa app got flagged because I listed 'clinical depression' as something I had previously been treated for on my health statement. I realize this was probably pretty naive, but at the time I just wanted to be completely honest about all aspects of my background, in case something showed up later and they caught me lying about it.
My recruiter suggested I get a letter of explanation from my doctor stating I no longer need treatment, and I've also written one myself explaining the situation. It's been well over a year since I've been off the meds, and was only on them for a short time. We are hoping these will be sufficient to clear any problems.
Has anyone had any experience with this? Worst-case scenario they deny my visa. I will definitely apply again, but will that always be tagged to me? Like if I submit another health statement stating I haven't been treated for any sort of mental condition, will they be able to look me up and find my previous app?
I guess in other words: am I completely screwed here...? 
Sigh. I'm trying to stay positive. |
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asdfghjkl
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 9:48 am Post subject: |
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| I'd reapply. I don't think immigration is organized enough to catch on. |
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young_clinton
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 2:42 am Post subject: |
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| I don't know why you thought that honesty was going to get you anywhere in this situation. You don't ever put down negative things down that they aren't going to find out about. All of these people involved in hiring except for a few are dishonest superficial garbage. Why be honest with them? |
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Sector7G
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 5:08 am Post subject: |
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| I don't know why you thought that honesty was going to get you anywhere in this situation. You don't ever put down negative things down that they aren't going to find out about. All of these people involved in hiring except for a few are dishonest superficial garbage. Why be honest with them? |
I think you mean to use the word "forthcoming", as in, " I don't know why you thought that being so forthcoming was going to get you anywhere in this situation", and, "Why be so forthcoming with them?".
Omitting something like a brief medical treatment on one's resume that has no bearing on the current job is not being dishonest. Just saying..... |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 4:28 pm Post subject: Re: E2 denial based on medical |
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| bcity wrote: |
Hey all,
My visa app got flagged because I listed 'clinical depression' as something I had previously been treated for on my health statement. I realize this was probably pretty naive, but at the time I just wanted to be completely honest about all aspects of my background, in case something showed up later and they caught me lying about it.
My recruiter suggested I get a letter of explanation from my doctor stating I no longer need treatment, and I've also written one myself explaining the situation. It's been well over a year since I've been off the meds, and was only on them for a short time. We are hoping these will be sufficient to clear any problems.
Has anyone had any experience with this? Worst-case scenario they deny my visa. I will definitely apply again, but will that always be tagged to me? Like if I submit another health statement stating I haven't been treated for any sort of mental condition, will they be able to look me up and find my previous app?
I guess in other words: am I completely screwed here...?
Sigh. I'm trying to stay positive. |
IF it was kicked back by the recruiter or employer then it is a non-issue (immigration never saw it) and there is no record of it.
IF it was kicked by by a government program (EPIK/GEPIK/etc) then your chances have dropped to about 50% of ever getting an E2.
If it was kicked back by immigration you won't get a visa in future (it is in your computer file as a red flag and cannot be removed). Pick a new country.
If it made it to the consulate and the actual visa application was denied then your future chances are also "0". Pick a new country.
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The health self-declaration has nothing to do with your health, it's an IQ test. If you check "yes" in any of those boxes, you are officially not smart enough to teach English in this country. |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Son Deureo! wrote: |
| I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The health self-declaration has nothing to do with your health, it's an IQ test. If you check "yes" in any of those boxes, you are officially not smart enough to teach English in this country. |
Unfortunately I agree with Son Deureo. Right on Bro. Think about it man. Can they actually find out about anything you mark as "no" even if the answer is really "yes". Worst case scenario is you get a job in Korea and deal with it all later. If you think you are healthy enough to come to Korea then it shouldn't be a problem. |
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crisdean
Joined: 04 Feb 2010
Location: Seoul Special City
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 5:37 am Post subject: |
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| liveinkorea316 wrote: |
| Son Deureo! wrote: |
| I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The health self-declaration has nothing to do with your health, it's an IQ test. If you check "yes" in any of those boxes, you are officially not smart enough to teach English in this country. |
Unfortunately I agree with Son Deureo. Right on Bro. Think about it man. Can they actually find out about anything you mark as "no" even if the answer is really "yes". Worst case scenario is you get a job in Korea and deal with it all later. If you think you are healthy enough to come to Korea then it shouldn't be a problem. |
It falls in line with the advice, "It's better to ask forgiveness than permission." Which seems to always be the best approach in Korea. |
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bcity
Joined: 19 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 11:33 am Post subject: |
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Woof. So many haters in here. 
I realize it was indeed very naive to list it, but the thing that bothers me even more is that the recruiter had the statement for 2+ months, and failed to say anything to me about it. And I guess that probably means she didn't even look at my documents when I sent them. Very bitter taste.  |
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bcity
Joined: 19 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 11:38 am Post subject: Re: E2 denial based on medical |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
IF it was kicked back by the recruiter or employer then it is a non-issue (immigration never saw it) and there is no record of it.
IF it was kicked by by a government program (EPIK/GEPIK/etc) then your chances have dropped to about 50% of ever getting an E2.
If it was kicked back by immigration you won't get a visa in future (it is in your computer file as a red flag and cannot be removed). Pick a new country.
If it made it to the consulate and the actual visa application was denied then your future chances are also "0". Pick a new country.
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Well it has been flagged by immigration for the time being, I know that for sure.
2 more questions:
Will these letters of explanation help at all? Seems more like a desperate snow-cone-chance-in-hell plea at this point. I wrote one myself, and am going to have my doctor write one also.
AND, will my file be in there forever? Or do they ever delete them or update after so many years? |
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soyoungmikey
Joined: 29 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Son Deureo! wrote: |
| I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The health self-declaration has nothing to do with your health, it's an IQ test. If you check "yes" in any of those boxes, you are officially not smart enough to teach English in this country. |
OP these type of people are ignorant. It's not an IQ test. You are being discriminated and being denied employment due to a former disability. Welcome to Korea. Here they are not enlightened enough to know any difference (And it appears many posters don't either). Sadly, ttompatz's info. is most likely on the button. Best of luck in whatever happens. Next time keep your medical history silent. You don't know how other countries will perceive your history. |
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mayorgc
Joined: 19 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 1:50 pm Post subject: Re: E2 denial based on medical |
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| bcity wrote: |
| ttompatz wrote: |
IF it was kicked back by the recruiter or employer then it is a non-issue (immigration never saw it) and there is no record of it.
IF it was kicked by by a government program (EPIK/GEPIK/etc) then your chances have dropped to about 50% of ever getting an E2.
If it was kicked back by immigration you won't get a visa in future (it is in your computer file as a red flag and cannot be removed). Pick a new country.
If it made it to the consulate and the actual visa application was denied then your future chances are also "0". Pick a new country.
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Well it has been flagged by immigration for the time being, I know that for sure.
2 more questions:
Will these letters of explanation help at all? Seems more like a desperate snow-cone-chance-in-hell plea at this point. I wrote one myself, and am going to have my doctor write one also.
AND, will my file be in there forever? Or do they ever delete them or update after so many years? |
Being truthful may have bit u in the bum this time, but honesty is usually the best policy. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 3:29 pm Post subject: Re: E2 denial based on medical |
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| bcity wrote: |
Well it has been flagged by immigration for the time being, I know that for sure.
2 more questions:
Will these letters of explanation help at all? Seems more like a desperate snow-cone-chance-in-hell plea at this point. I wrote one myself, and am going to have my doctor write one also.
AND, will my file be in there forever? Or do they ever delete them or update after so many years? |
1) No. Truth be told, it is reciprocal. The rules are similar to ones used by US immigration for people applying to get into the states.
2) Yes. They don't remove stuff.
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
| I don't know why you thought that honesty was going to get you anywhere in this situation. You don't ever put down negative things down that they aren't going to find out about. All of these people involved in hiring except for a few are dishonest superficial garbage. Why be honest with them? |
I think you mean to use the word "forthcoming", as in, " I don't know why you thought that being so forthcoming was going to get you anywhere in this situation", and, "Why be so forthcoming with them?".
Omitting something like a brief medical treatment on one's resume that has no bearing on the current job is not being dishonest. Just saying..... |
OK but don't put any negative things down on a resume, it will go right in the trash. Unlike normal people these recruiters and schools will not size up the person reasonably. |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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| OP these type of people are ignorant. |
Wrong, the OP was ignorant. If he'd done a search about this on this board about the health statement he'd have known there was absolutely no benefit to him checking "yes" to anything on that form.
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| It's not an IQ test. |
Obviously. I was speaking metaphorically. Does anyone seriously believe that question is there so that Immigration can alert his local hospital to have English-speaking psychiatric services available, and not to be excluded from teaching here altogether? If so....
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| You are being discriminated and being denied employment due to a former disability. |
Which Immi never would have been able to do if he'd kept his mouth shut.
Don't bother. The OP will not be teaching here.
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| Here they are not enlightened enough to know any difference (And it appears many posters don't either). |
I have nothing against the OP's health condition, past or present. I agree that it's unfortunate that he or anyone else is excluded from employment here because of his medical history. I know plenty of people here who are being treated for depression and are teaching in Korea, and I'm happy to report that they're doing just fine. All of them have also had to be discreet, particularly in the workplace, as Koreans tend not to be very understanding of mental health issues.
All of them were savvy enough to tick "no" on that box.
Since that ship has now sailed for the OP, anything we say can only be helpful as a cautionary tale for future new teachers who choose to do their research.
OP, sorry, but your very small error in judgment has probably cost you any chance of ever working in the ROK. It's not fair, you don't deserve to be punished so severely for your honesty or former condition, but nothing I say or do can change that. Good luck in your future endeavors.
To any other prospective teachers who might be reading this: Be smart, tick NO.
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