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Civil lawsuit risk if I quit early?
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therandom9



Joined: 10 May 2010

PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 7:28 pm    Post subject: Civil lawsuit risk if I quit early? Reply with quote

My situation is slightly complicated, so let me give the relevant details, then ask my question.

1. My contract does not have any provisions for terminating the contract in terms of notice that must be given.

2. I provide my own housing, and did not receive airfare.

3. I do not teach English, but I do work at a hagwon on an E2.

4. If I quit, it would not be great for my company's business. They cannot quickly replace me, and a lot of the marketing is done using my name.

So my question is this: what is my exposure in a civil lawsuit if I leave early? Is it the case that I could be sued for broadly damaging the company, or do employees have broad rights to leave at will?
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Gorf



Joined: 25 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are an at-will employee, and if there are no provisions in the contract, then you can quit as soon as you would like. You're not a slave and labor laws here side with the employee. It's their decision to market with your name.
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therandom9



Joined: 10 May 2010

PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right that is how I would expect things to work in the US. I guess I was wondering if there was anything weird in Korea.

So civil lawsuits would come up here if my contract had a notice provision and I did not follow it?
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YTMND



Joined: 16 Jan 2012
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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there a reason why you would be in a non-English teaching job as the norm here and not want to give a 30 day notice?

Since you are too worried about this, I get the impression you found a higher paying offer and they want you to start immediately.

Let's get the full story. What exactly is your situation. Right now we are working with insufficient data.

Also, if you did just get up and leave, then you would only be out the 30 days that they would need a replacement.

If this does go to court you have 2 ways to argue:

1. If they get a replacement within a month, then they are only out time until they got a replacement.

2. If they get a replacement after 2 months, you are definitely not responsible for the second month.

So, you could bring it up to them that you want another job, but then they still have to give you a letter of release. Are you then planning on getting all new documents and re-entering? Again, what are the details?
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young_clinton



Joined: 09 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can't squeeze blood out of a Waygook turnip (not that you're a turnip). The answer is no, there is no risk.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IF you are an "EMPLOYEE" (as defined by the labor act) then labor law clearly defines a "labor contract" and also clearly states that you are free to quit at any time without worry of civil liabilities (other than repayment of acknowledged debt to the business) provided you do nothing overt to damage the business reputation (you can quit but you can't picket and say the boss is a cheater).

You cannot be forced by any means (including coercion or threats of civil liability) to work against your will.

Even if you were sued they would NOT win.

As a contractor and not an employee (under the legal definition of the term) you are bound by the terms of your contract.

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therandom9



Joined: 10 May 2010

PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

YTMND - I do intend to switch to another company, but that company is a US company. I simply want to leave Korea open as an option in the future, since I may want to work in the education industry here again. So time is not a big factor. I will probabaly stay here through the summer.

Ttompatz, your answer is very helpful. I am pretty sure I would be classified as an employee, but I will reread the relevant law.
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therandom9



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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quick followup:one of my friends asked the Ministry of Labor a similar question awhile back, and received the following in response-

Quote:
In case of fixed term labor contract, when a worker breaks labor contract without a reasonable reason, the employer may file his/her case with the civil court for monetary compensation based on the civil law not the labor law.


This is the sort of thing I was worried about. Ttompatz, how does this square with what you mentioned earlier regarding the ability to leave at any time?
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YTMND



Joined: 16 Jan 2012
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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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but that company is a US company.


Then pack up and leave at a time of your choosing. You will have to get new documents, but immigration is not going to care if you pulled a "midnight runner".
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therandom9



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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is absolutely true. However I was not asking about immi. I was asking about getting sued in Korea for breach of contract. I would obviously not like to come back to the country and have a large financial penalty facing me.
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Wildbore



Joined: 17 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

therandom9 wrote:
Quick followup:one of my friends asked the Ministry of Labor a similar question awhile back, and received the following in response-

Quote:
In case of fixed term labor contract, when a worker breaks labor contract without a reasonable reason, the employer may file his/her case with the civil court for monetary compensation based on the civil law not the labor law.


This is the sort of thing I was worried about. Ttompatz, how does this square with what you mentioned earlier regarding the ability to leave at any time?


Just because you can leave at any time, doesn't mean you should.

If a judge gets your case, you certainly would not be frowned upon if you gave some sort of reasonable notice to your employer. It may be best to consult with a lawyer, who can advise you based on case law relevent to your situation.
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YTMND



Joined: 16 Jan 2012
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

therandom9 wrote:
That is absolutely true. However I was not asking about immi. I was asking about getting sued in Korea for breach of contract. I would obviously not like to come back to the country and have a large financial penalty facing me.


Either you are on good terms or you aren't. If everything is ok, then talk to them about it. Document it in email. See what they say. If they have no problem, then set a final date, draw something up and be formal.

Really, it's up to you in the end what you want to do.

If you are not on good terms, then what is it worth to them to file a lawsuit with you gone? They don't know you will come back, and to go through all that trouble to try to collect on someone in the US is not a financial issue. There is something more personal and psychopathic involved.

What would a judge or court do if they actually had one of these "complaints", and you tell them you left immediately to tend to a dying relative?

Your age and looks are probably a bigger issue when it comes to being hired. If it makes you feel better, try to get something signed. However, there won't be any major issues unless you do some serious crime.
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therandom9



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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wildbore wrote:
therandom9 wrote:
Quick followup:one of my friends asked the Ministry of Labor a similar question awhile back, and received the following in response-

Quote:
In case of fixed term labor contract, when a worker breaks labor contract without a reasonable reason, the employer may file his/her case with the civil court for monetary compensation based on the civil law not the labor law.


This is the sort of thing I was worried about. Ttompatz, how does this square with what you mentioned earlier regarding the ability to leave at any time?


Just because you can leave at any time, doesn't mean you should.

If a judge gets your case, you certainly would not be frowned upon if you gave some sort of reasonable notice to your employer. It may be best to consult with a lawyer, who can advise you based on case law relevent to your situation.


I completely agree Wildbore. If anyone has experience with a good labor lawyer in Korea, I would be very interested in their info in order to do a quick.consultation.
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YTMND



Joined: 16 Jan 2012
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

therandom9 wrote:
Wildbore wrote:
therandom9 wrote:
Quick followup:one of my friends asked the Ministry of Labor a similar question awhile back, and received the following in response-

Quote:
In case of fixed term labor contract, when a worker breaks labor contract without a reasonable reason, the employer may file his/her case with the civil court for monetary compensation based on the civil law not the labor law.


This is the sort of thing I was worried about. Ttompatz, how does this square with what you mentioned earlier regarding the ability to leave at any time?


Just because you can leave at any time, doesn't mean you should.

If a judge gets your case, you certainly would not be frowned upon if you gave some sort of reasonable notice to your employer. It may be best to consult with a lawyer, who can advise you based on case law relevent to your situation.


I completely agree Wildbore. If anyone has experience with a good labor lawyer in Korea, I would be very interested in their info in order to do a quick.consultation.


So, you are going to do all this behind the scenes act instead of just going to your current employer and working something out? Amazing.
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therandom9



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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is much easier to work something out if you know your exact legal position in advance.
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