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12ax7
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| Son Deureo! wrote: |
| Actually, Bill Gates has been awarded honorary doctorates by eight different universities, including Harvard and Cambridge, so he would indeed be eligible for an E-2 visa to teach business and computer classes in Korea if he wanted to. |
I was waiting for someone to bring the E2 visa...
Visa requirements and the necessary qualifications to teach at the university level at two different things. Lets not confuse one for the other. |
no they're not. most foreigners teaching at unis in korea are on an e-2 LOL |
Most people who teach at Korean universities are not foreigners. |
i thought we were talking about foreigners? we're not talking about koreans teaching at unis in korea, but foreigners. isn't that what we are talking about? am i losing my grip on reality? i'm so confused! 
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It's very simple: visa requirements and job requirements are two separate things. Apples and oranges. |
most apples and oranges are not foreigners.  there is nothing simple about it. your responses are like zen koans. every hagwan also has it's own wish list of requirements for applicants, the one thing they all have in common are the necessary conditions that immigration requires for being granted a visa. same as with unis.
but i do want to thank you for pointing out Article 13 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights in another thread. VEEEERY interesting. |
So, you're unable to grasp the not so subtle differences that exist between immigration requirements, university hiring practices, and MEST policy? |
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slothrop
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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TheTeacher..
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| So I finish my MA in Applied Linguistics this September. I've got 3 years hagwon and 2 years Public School experience. How do I get 2 years uni/college experience if I can't get a job in a uni/college?? |
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slothrop
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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Swampfox10mm
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 3:21 am Post subject: |
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| So I finish my MA in Applied Linguistics this September. I've got 3 years hagwon and 2 years Public School experience. How do I get 2 years uni/college experience if I can't get a job in a uni/college?? |
Get a job at a small univ. outside of Seoul for a few years. |
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AwesomeA
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Location: Yeosu
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:13 am Post subject: |
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Qualifications: Candidates should have a Ph.D (or equivalent). Otherwise, he/she should have an MA (or equivalent) at least with 5 years teaching experience as an official faculty member.
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Good luck hiring Ph.Ds to teach English in Korea. They'll be the first ones make a lot of ridiculous requests like maid service, or more importantly pull runners when they realize the English level of their students. |
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Dodge7
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:30 am Post subject: |
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| you're right about 3/4ths of them being too wierd and eccentric to function in society, however. you know who else is? All the teachers who FOUND jobs.LOL they were just better able to repress their nervous ticks and profane utterances until after the interview was over.LOL |
Don't teachers work in an office, at least when they're not teaching???
Teaching still involves interacting with other co-workers and staff, which is something a lot of people don't do well.
As for the ones who can "fake it" though an interview... that's true... but they get found out quickly...
People can 'act' normal for a bit, but no one can act forever.
What does the system do with the weirdos and nutjobs who don't fit in?
They don't renew their contracts.
I've met a lot of certified teachers in Korea who fit this description.
This is actually why I'm against the idea of improving the quality of teachers in Korea by only hiring "certified" teachers.
If you do that, you're basically left with the "system rejects" from the education system back home. |
Ohh, really?? And what field of rejects do you come from, sir? Couldn't make it with your basket-weaving degree back home so you are here in Korea teaching English?
You see how generalizing works? Not fun when it's directed at you isn't it?
Have you ever thought that teachers come here because there aren't ENOUGH job openings for the amount of teachers applying for them? Or are you just threatened by licensed teachers that AUTOMATICALLY put you , your degree, and Cert. (if you have one) to shame and are more desirable for employment in this field than you are? |
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PatrickGHBusan
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 9:17 am Post subject: |
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| So I finish my MA in Applied Linguistics this September. I've got 3 years hagwon and 2 years Public School experience. How do I get 2 years uni/college experience if I can't get a job in a uni/college?? |
Work at a Unigwon.
Work at adult hakwons that deal mostly with university level students.
Work for a company where you teach adult learners. |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Son Deureo! wrote: |
| Actually, Bill Gates has been awarded honorary doctorates by eight different universities, including Harvard and Cambridge, so he would indeed be eligible for an E-2 visa to teach business and computer classes in Korea if he wanted to. |
I was waiting for someone to bring the E2 visa...
Visa requirements and the necessary qualifications to teach at the university level at two different things. Lets not confuse one for the other. |
no they're not. most foreigners teaching at unis in korea are on an e-2 LOL |
Most people who teach at Korean universities are not foreigners. |
i thought we were talking about foreigners? we're not talking about koreans teaching at unis in korea, but foreigners. isn't that what we are talking
about? am i losing my grip on reality? i'm so confused!
paddycakes, i think some koreans in charge of hiring are confusing "certified" and "certifiable"... either that or they want both... as the more certificates
you can put on your wall, the more impressive it appears to your collegues... even when one of the papers is your oficial release from bellview.LOL as long as it's apostilled, that is. hahahahahaha
and i find 1 flaw in your critique. you seem to hold the presupposition that some people are wierd and some are normal. and the normal ones fit in while the abnormal don't. but i think EVERYONE is abnormal. there is no
normal. thats the new normal.LOL
oh and btw, i never did office hours, even though I had a private office.
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Actually, I am a foreign professor with an E1 visa and do not teach English. So, indeed, Bill Gates would be able to teach computer science at a Korean university.
As for this idea of separating people into normal and weird, I find this to be akin to an immature high school mentality. That being said, I am sure some people are victims of such stupid thinking. On the other hand, do high schools back home really expect for example that all of their math teachers will be "normal"? |
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slothrop
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Hoost
Joined: 12 Nov 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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It's definitely not a government requirement, nor will it ever be.
Bill Gates, for example, wouldn't be able to teach a business or computer class because he never graduated. |
actually, the OP didn't state if he works for a national university or a private one.
If he works for a private university, then they can do whatever they want as they generally do not get the same kind of government funding as national universities and so they don't have to abide by as rigid guidelines.
I know I got hired at my previous university with zero teaching experience and only a bachelors
Since then, I completed a Master's (in Korea) and have enrolled in a PhD program. I am now working at National University which without a doubt only hires people with strict criteria.
You NEED a Master's (minimum) + 3 years of teaching experience in order to even qualify. They are very strict with these criteria.
If you have a PhD, the teaching experience requirement is lower. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 12:27 am Post subject: |
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It's definitely not a government requirement, nor will it ever be.
Bill Gates, for example, wouldn't be able to teach a business or computer class because he never graduated. |
actually, the OP didn't state if he works for a national university or a private one.
If he works for a private university, then they can do whatever they want as they generally do not get the same kind of government funding as national universities and so they don't have to abide by as rigid guidelines.
I know I got hired at my previous university with zero teaching experience and only a bachelors
Since then, I completed a Master's (in Korea) and have enrolled in a PhD program. I am now working at National University which without a doubt only hires people with strict criteria.
You NEED a Master's (minimum) + 3 years of teaching experience in order to even qualify. They are very strict with these criteria.
If you have a PhD, the teaching experience requirement is lower. |
Would you agree that the vast majority of universities in South Korea are not public institutions? |
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djg11002323
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| I work at a private university. From what I can deduce, our university receives several rather sizable government grants. I know people that work at national universities with bachelors and little to no experience. |
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12ax7
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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| I work at a private university. From what I can deduce, our university receives several rather sizable government grants. I know people that work at national universities with bachelors and little to no experience. |
Yes. And I know a Korean who has a bachelors in an unrelated field to the one he teaches at university. The university hired him to teach their students how to use a particularly complex software that he uses every day at work (he may be the only one in his province to have mastered its use). |
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sojusucks
Joined: 31 May 2008
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2012 1:10 am Post subject: Re: New university hiring rules? |
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1. Masters degree or higher.
2. Minimum two years university or college teaching experience. |
With these qualifications, who would want to work in South Korea unless they have a spouse/family here. Most with these qualifications go else where. |
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