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cureesu
Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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 Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 4:00 am Post subject: Back up Teacher Position |
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Hey guys! Sorry if this has already been posted, but I couldn't find it. I applied late in the "recruiting season" (or so I am told), and a couple of places said they had already finished assigning teachers. One of the schools said that they would give me a back up position at 80% pay where I essentially work out of the "main campus" do fill in/do training/etc. until a position opens up. They said it would be a max of 3 months. Does this happen a lot? Here is the beginning of the contract they gave me.
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This contract begins June, 2012 and ends September, 2013.
The employee is to fulfill one semester (approx.3 months) of training with the HRD dept. prior to being placed at a campus where the employee will officially start the 1 year contract period.
The actual starting date is when the Employee first starts working at the campus. If the contract ends in the middle of the semester, then the last day is changed to the end of the semester.
During the first training semester, the employee is required to fulfill training sessions provided at varies campuses, curriculum editing tasks provided by New Boarder, temporarily fill in for absent teachers at _______ campuses and other teaching related tasks.
The Employee will act in a professional manner and be responsible for conducting professional English Language classes. |
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Skippy
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 5:32 am Post subject: |
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The only real recruiting seasons is for public schools and Universities. Your leg is being pulled a bit with this. This schools sounds like a hagwon/private school. Hagwons hire full time around the year. Maybe this hagwon hires at certain times as they keep to a schedule. It could be a level of professionalism. Yet it has a stink of some BS. "Hey sorry you missed out but we will do you a favor."
Plus I am wary of the legality of the job. If you are on an E-2 visa you can work in various places but you need permission from immigration. If this schools is farming you out as a sub it is not legal.
Another point is the reduce pay and the three months. If you are working and teaching including likely traveling why not full pay. Maybe the reduce because you only work 15 out of a typical 22-30 class hour week.
The three months may be used as a grace period/test out time. Those grace periods can be helpful but also abused - use em and then dump em kind of move.
Still look more at other jobs. If you think it is a good deal take it. To me it is a little bit hinky. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 8:05 am Post subject: |
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Actually, the Immigration rule for multiple locations was changed a couple of years ago.
It is now legal to work at multiple locations for the same school with the same owner with only your first, primary location listed on your ARC.
This was done primarily to accomodate Immigration. So many schools were coming in with the legal paperwork to add additional locations where everything was the same: every contract, every document, the teacher's address, just a lot of redundant papers that said the same thing to add a line to the ARC that listed an additional location ... that Immigration realized it was a waste of time for everyone - especially for them. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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It is a hagwan and this, "The employee is to fulfill one semester (approx.3 months) of training with the HRD dept. prior to being placed at a campus where the employee will officially start the 1 year contract period. " is absolute crap.
LOOK ELSEWHERE. |
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cureesu
Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the input. Now that I'm reading over things again, the conditions do seem a little bit unfair. I think I was just eager to jump at an immediate job offer. |
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sojusucks
Joined: 31 May 2008
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2012 1:38 am Post subject: Re: Back up Teacher Position |
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One of the schools said that they would give me a back up position at 80% pay where I essentially work out of the "main campus" do fill in/do training/etc. until a position opens up. They said it would be a max of 3 months.
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This is NOT standard. They want to pay you less for three months, and instead of six months being the half-way mark, now it is 9 months (6 months plus 3 months training).
This is troubling:
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| If the contract ends in the middle of the semester, then the last day is changed to the end of the semester. |
Your visa is only for one year. How can you stay in the country past your visa (until the end of the semester) much less to include the extra three months of training?
Run from this contract quickly!!!
It all seems like a scam to pay you less for three months and have you leave the country before end of contract payments are due. Once you leave before completing your contract, you are no longer entitled to severance or return airfare. If you don't believe me, ask someone that works in the place in Seoul that offers free legal advice. |
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sojusucks
Joined: 31 May 2008
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2012 1:41 am Post subject: |
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| Skippy wrote: |
| If this schools is farming you out as a sub it is not legal. |
True unless locations of employment are associated with the visa (and perhaps the contract too). I have known some public school teachers that legally worked for two or three schools part-time. I am not sure how they did it. |
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Skippy
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2012 4:54 am Post subject: |
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| Skippy wrote: |
| If this schools is farming you out as a sub it is not legal. |
True unless locations of employment are associated with the visa (and perhaps the contract too). I have known some public school teachers that legally worked for two or three schools part-time. I am not sure how they did it. |
I know and understand that a teacher can work at various locations. As to public school teachers, I think they are given an exemption because in a sense they work for the government. The government gives breaks to those it needs.
Still to work at other places you have to be registered. Questions of how long before you have to get or it takes to process. Are there limits of how many places a person can work.
It would a great idea if schools could do this. Hire your regular teachers but then hire a roaming teacher who can cover when needed - legally.
Still the less pay is a bull. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2012 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Skippy wrote: |
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| Skippy wrote: |
| If this schools is farming you out as a sub it is not legal. |
True unless locations of employment are associated with the visa (and perhaps the contract too). I have known some public school teachers that legally worked for two or three schools part-time. I am not sure how they did it. |
I know and understand that a teacher can work at various locations. As to public school teachers, I think they are given an exemption because in a sense they work for the government. The government gives breaks to those it needs.
Still to work at other places you have to be registered. Questions of how long before you have to get or it takes to process. Are there limits of how many places a person can work.
It would a great idea if schools could do this. Hire your regular teachers but then hire a roaming teacher who can cover when needed - legally.
Still the less pay is a bull. |
Teachers can do this now. Immigration has changed their rules, as I wrote above.
A teacher who is legally registered to work at one school can work for all the other locations for the same school and owner without adding the additional locations to the ARC card and without telling Immigration. There is no longer any requirement to add all of these locations to the ARC if they are with the same school and owner. Hogwans are now treated just like the public schools in this regard.
Getting less pay for this is a different matter, of course, as you mentioned. |
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