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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| BriTunes wrote: |
| Starting salary for new teachers with no experience is $83,400 usd at the American School-Japan. Google. |
I stand corrected, bite my tongue and eat my words...
but I also note that the ONLY position open between now (May 2012) and Sept 2013 is for a part-time Chinese teacher with a masters degree and no-where did it say no-experience needed. It did say The starting base salary for new teachers is Y6,672,000...
and will now modify my statement to, "the vast majority of jobs in the international school sector (globally) are between US$40-60k + benefits (about the same as Canada for a full time public school teacher with equivalent experience).
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Binch Lover
Joined: 25 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Isn't the point of an international school being able to send your kid to a school where all the lessons are taught in English, when you're living in a non-English speaking country? So why would it be called an international school in England? Wouldn't it just be called a school? . |
Because international schools are not defined by the fact that they teach in English. They tend to offer the International Baccalaureate and ESL or other extra language lessons. Also, wouldn't a French school or Chinese school count as an international school? |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 1:49 am Post subject: |
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| Some of the international schools here in Shanghai pay very well; it's definitely possible to make over 60,000usd in salary alone. I know a guy that makes over $100,000 when benefits (including free tuition for his kid) are factored. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 3:27 am Post subject: |
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| Binch Lover wrote: |
| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| Isn't the point of an international school being able to send your kid to a school where all the lessons are taught in English, when you're living in a non-English speaking country? So why would it be called an international school in England? Wouldn't it just be called a school? . |
Because international schools are not defined by the fact that they teach in English. They tend to offer the International Baccalaureate and ESL or other extra language lessons. Also, wouldn't a French school or Chinese school count as an international school? |
Yeah, French and German international schools are actually quite common.
Also, part of the reason you send your kid to international school is to get an education in your home country's curriculum, thus the existence of places like the American School in London.
Offering ESL really depends on the school. There are a lot of schools that won't actually allow a child to go there unless they have foreign passports; I know Jakarta International used to be like this, for example, and I believe that Taipei American School still is. |
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Konglishman
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Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 5:05 am Post subject: |
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| I recall one of my international teacher friends telling me about a school in Saudi Arabia where a $100,000 salary is possible. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 5:38 am Post subject: |
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International schools in Hong Kong pay very well. Not 100K U.S. to start but after a few years you'd probably be in the neighborhood.
As for how to qualify, being a certified public school teacher is the usual requirement. I would think the certification could come from any English-speaking nation.
These are not easy gigs. Expectations are much higher than they are for teaching in an institute, public school or university in Korea. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 5:42 am Post subject: |
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| Konglishman wrote: |
| I recall one of my international teacher friends telling me about a school in Saudi Arabia where a $100,000 salary is possible. |
If you stick at Aramco for awhile you can make more than that, mostly teaching the gap year kids who will go on to Western universities following the crash course you give them in balanced education. |
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crito03
Joined: 30 Jun 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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There are actually quite a few int'l schools where the top of the salary scale is within the 100000 USD a year region. When you factor in bonus (15% for many), housing, pension contributions (present at the best schools), flights, and relocation allowance the total compensation package is well in excess of that figure. And you don't have to take my word for it just look at the ESF package in Hong Kong.
http://www.esf.edu.hk/about-esf/working-us-/conditions-service-teachers
The level of misinformation on this site never ceases to amaze me. My other personal favorite is this misconceived notion that you have to have two years back home teaching experience post certification to secure an international school position. The best step you can make for your career is to research it yourself rather than rely on people who have no real vetted interest in your future. |
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northway
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| crito03 wrote: |
There are actually quite a few int'l schools where the top of the salary scale is within the 100000 USD a year region. When you factor in bonus (15% for many), housing, pension contributions (present at the best schools), flights, and relocation allowance the total compensation package is well in excess of that figure. And you don't have to take my word for it just look at the ESF package in Hong Kong.
http://www.esf.edu.hk/about-esf/working-us-/conditions-service-teachers
The level of misinformation on this site never ceases to amaze me. My other personal favorite is this misconceived notion that you have to have two years back home teaching experience post certification to secure an international school position. The best step you can make for your career is to research it yourself rather than rely on people who have no real vetted interest in your future. |
Misinformation is bad, misinformation with assurances as to it's accuracy is worse. |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| crito03 wrote: |
There are actually quite a few int'l schools where the top of the salary scale is within the 100000 USD a year region. When you factor in bonus (15% for many), housing, pension contributions (present at the best schools), flights, and relocation allowance the total compensation package is well in excess of that figure. And you don't have to take my word for it just look at the ESF package in Hong Kong.
http://www.esf.edu.hk/about-esf/working-us-/conditions-service-teachers
The level of misinformation on this site never ceases to amaze me. My other personal favorite is this misconceived notion that you have to have two years back home teaching experience post certification to secure an international school position. The best step you can make for your career is to research it yourself rather than rely on people who have no real vetted interest in your future. |
Misinformation is bad, misinformation with assurances as to it's accuracy is worse. |
Those on this forum that tend to spew out misinformation usually have no clue. It is quite commonplace here. I've never been able to figure out their angle. |
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silkhighway
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Location: Canada
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2012 8:50 am Post subject: |
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| 80-100K might seem really high, but the type of teachers these schools are recruiting would be of a different cut than most ESL teachers. To uproot a family from Toronto, New York, or London to teach abroad you would need to offer an attractive package like that. And it wouldn't be that much of a difference for them, the average teacher in Ontario earns about 80K a year. The extra earnings they get from teaching at an international school would mostly be what they save in tax. |
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Eedoryeong
Joined: 10 Dec 2007
Location: Jeju
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2012 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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The 2 years post cert expectation probably is propagated by reading sites like this one:
http://tefl-tips.com/international-schools/
Can teachers holding masters (not in ed, but in a school subject like history) plus TEFL cert also find work in international schools? I heard no before but I have some indications now that the answer is sometimes yes as well. |
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silkhighway
Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2012 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Eedoryeong wrote: |
The 2 years post cert expectation probably is propagated by reading sites like this one:
http://tefl-tips.com/international-schools/
Can teachers holding masters (not in ed, but in a school subject like history) plus TEFL cert also find work in international schools? I heard no before but I have some indications now that the answer is sometimes yes as well. |
I'd say yes under the right circumstances. The TEFL won't mean much (unless you want to instruct ESL classes inside an international school), but your Masters might depending on your subject area, which school you are applying for a job, and your timing. International schools vary greatly in both quality and what exactly is "international" about them; many of them being international in name only, without true accreditation and definitely no international student body. |
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Eedoryeong
Joined: 10 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2012 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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I'd say yes under the right circumstances. The TEFL won't mean much (unless you want to instruct ESL classes inside an international school), but your Masters might depending on your subject area, which school you are applying for a job, and your timing. International schools vary greatly in both quality and what exactly is "international" about them; many of them being international in name only, without true accreditation and definitely no international student body. |
Thanks. Can I just clarify that you mean that under my circumstances I should only hope to get a job with a school without true accreditation and definitely no international student body? |
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silkhighway
Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2012 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| silkhighway wrote: |
I'd say yes under the right circumstances. The TEFL won't mean much (unless you want to instruct ESL classes inside an international school), but your Masters might depending on your subject area, which school you are applying for a job, and your timing. International schools vary greatly in both quality and what exactly is "international" about them; many of them being international in name only, without true accreditation and definitely no international student body. |
Thanks. Can I just clarify that you mean that under my circumstances I should only hope to get a job with a school without true accreditation and definitely no international student body? |
No, I don't mean that. Some schools will automatically disqualify you because you won't won't qualify for a license, but I honestly don't know about all of them. |
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