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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Westerners try to integrate into korean society. Most people that have been here longer than eg 3 years are married to Koreans, learning the language, and e.g. support korea at sports events. |
That's not integrating.
And of the many 3+ expats I know, only 20% match all 3 of those criteria. And then they only support Korea as long as they aren't playing America or the UK or Australia, etc.
So how exactly are they different from British Muslims who marry other British Muslims, speak English for economic reasons, and cheer for England as long as they aren't playing Pakistan? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Westerners try to integrate into korean society. Most people that have been here longer than eg 3 years are married to Koreans, learning the language, and e.g. support korea at sports events. |
That's not integrating.
And of the many 3+ expats I know, only 20% match all 3 of those criteria. And then they only support Korea as long as they aren't playing America or the UK or Australia, etc.
So how exactly are they different from British Muslims who marry other British Muslims, speak English for economic reasons, and cheer for England as long as they aren't playing Pakistan? |
Well, waygookin intermarriage with Korean locals is meaningfully different from British Muslims who marry their cousins.
I realize what you're doing here, Steelrails. Foreign NETs here aren't entirely integrated, and I share your distaste for some of the rampant generalizations of British Muslims in this thread. But I don't think the situations are simply equivalent. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Westerners try to integrate into korean society. Most people that have been here longer than eg 3 years are married to Koreans, learning the language, and e.g. support korea at sports events. |
That's not integrating.
And of the many 3+ expats I know, only 20% match all 3 of those criteria. And then they only support Korea as long as they aren't playing America or the UK or Australia, etc.
So how exactly are they different from British Muslims who marry other British Muslims, speak English for economic reasons, and cheer for England as long as they aren't playing Pakistan? |
Well, waygookin intermarriage with Korean locals is meaningfully different from British Muslims who marry their cousins.
I realize what you're doing here, Steelrails. Foreign NETs here aren't entirely integrated, and I share your distaste for some of the rampant generalizations of British Muslims in this thread. But I don't think the situations are simply equivalent. |
They're not, but Julius invited the comparison with his blatant generalizations about Koreans (always without caveat), combined with his obvious distaste for the Other in his own country. What Steelrails is getting at, I think, is that a certain poster has a tendency to blame everything on someone else. |
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ghostrider
Joined: 27 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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He has been deported:
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The bald Brit who trailblazed all this clusterf*ck? Having spent the last 20 days under some sort of administrative detention, he is now being quietly deported back to Britain. Multiple seats were reserved on multiple flights from Beijing to London today, and as we speak, it�s likely he is on the 1:30 pm Air China to Heathrow.
Here�s what we�ve heard through the expat grapevine: 1) He�s a mid-20s British passport-holder of Egyptian descent; 2) he has a brother who�s lived in Beijing for several years; 3) er� that�s it. It is beyond surprising that in this day and age of human flesh search engines and wall-to-wall media coverage � no fewer than three dozen media outlets in this country alone have reported this story � we still don�t have so much as a name. |
http://beijingcream.com/2012/05/alleged-british-rapist-being-deported-to-an-uncertain-fate/#more-2965 |
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Squire
Joined: 26 Sep 2010
Location: Jeollanam-do
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Westerners try to integrate into korean society. Most people that have been here longer than eg 3 years are married to Koreans, learning the language, and e.g. support korea at sports events. |
That's not integrating.
And of the many 3+ expats I know, only 20% match all 3 of those criteria. And then they only support Korea as long as they aren't playing America or the UK or Australia, etc.
So how exactly are they different from British Muslims who marry other British Muslims, speak English for economic reasons, and cheer for England as long as they aren't playing Pakistan? |
I've found foreigners who stay here for a long time (at least, more than 2 or 3 years) have a passion for the country, the food the language etc. They're often big apologists too, like you. The key difference is they really like the country, which can't be said for many British muslims. These aren't people who stay for one or two years either, they stay for good |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: xenophobia in China /assault by foreigner/video footage |
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Dude, you're messed up. |
And you're american.
... ie, you haven't lived in the north of England and probably don't have a clue what you're talking about when it comes to this issue.
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| The video of the beating has caused a wave of xenophobia in China since it went on the web 2 weeks ago |
Its more the fact that this type of event triggers the national memory of the Rape of Nanking... and other similar foreign humiliations of China.
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This from a poster who rails against Korean racism and ostracization of NETs? |
Westerners try to integrate into korean society. Most people that have been here longer than eg 3 years are married to Koreans, learning the language, and e.g. support korea at sports events.
Pakistanis have been in the UK 50 years and still they deliberately keep themselves secluded. The fact that most of them openly approved of 9/11 didn't help either.
I didn't say "Paki bashing" was right. Its not, its apalling. But it is the logical result of muslim non-integration. |
I'm not British either, nor have I lived in northern England but I'm very familiar with the issues there, especially in cities like Birmingham as well as other northern cities and counties.
You're right in that many Pakistanis have not assimilated. Pakistani Brits also point to what they believe is blatant discrimination, a lack of jobs and Brits not seeing them as British.
That said, there are numerous Pakistanis (as well as other ethnic minorities such as afro-caribbeans, Asian Indians, etc.) who have tried and have assimiliated into British culture.
That has NOTHING to do with the guy in the video. Not sure what the point is. He deserves a beating because he's a British moslem? He sexually assaulted the girl because he was a British moslem?
The white Brit on holiday in Europe and trashing the place is a cliche. Especially at football matches. English clubs were banned from competitions in Europe in the '80s because they were so many of them rioters and they weren't black or brown either.
The intersting thing is the Pakistanis in America have by and large been exemplary and I would guess have a family income and educational level higher than the average American.
My guess on the difference is that after the fall of the empire, England took in all kinds of Pakistan, the poor as well as the middle classes and America was much pickier in its immigration policies. My guess. The poor have usually had a much harder time adjusting typically than middle class or higher immigrants to a country. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| My guess on the difference is that after the fall of the empire, England took in all kinds of Pakistan, the poor as well as the middle classes and America was much pickier in its immigration policies. My guess. The poor have usually had a much harder time adjusting typically than middle class or higher immigrants to a country. |
America's immigration policies emphasize math and science proficiency and advanced education, per my understanding, so that would make sense. |
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krnpowr
Joined: 08 Dec 2011
Location: Midwest, USA
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:08 am Post subject: |
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Brits really seem to make a name for themselves throughout Asia. They're generally seen as royal pricks, and I can certainly corroborate.
I've seen quite a few Brits during my stay in Asia cause scenes like this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAESgkGA6F8 |
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